A Taste of Islam: An Interview with Bill Warner

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Posted By Mark Tapson On January 16, 2012

In the years after the 9/11 attacks, more non-Muslims than ever before have studied Islam to understand the religious motives of those who had declared war on us. And yet non-believers who are alarmed at what they have found in the foundational texts of Islam are always told by apologists that we don’t understand the true Koran, that we labor under misconceptions about the Religion of Peace, that we don’t understand the complexities of sharia, that our objections and criticisms stem from racism (even though Islam is not a race) and an irrational fear of Islam and its adherents. The problem always seems to lie with us. What is the truth and how can we get to it behind the contradictions and the mystification?

Bill Warner has the answer. The founder and director of the Center for the Study of Political Islam (CSPI), he holds a PhD in physics and math. He has been a university professor, a businessman, and an applied physicist. But Dr. Warner has also had a lifelong interest in religion and its impact on history, and so the day after 9/11 he decided to make the source texts of Islam available for the average person who wants to know more.

As part of that effort, Mr. Warner has produced a dozen books, including a Koran, a biography of Mohammed and a summary of the political traditions of Mohammed. He writes articles and produces news bulletins that record the suffering of the victims of political Islam. And he has spoken nationally and internationally about Islamic political doctrine.

Mark Tapson: Mr. Warner, your background is in physics and mathematics. How did you come to devote yourself to the study of religion and to feel compelled to share your insights on political Islam? How did the field of statistics shape your perspective on Islam?

Bill Warner: I was raised in a very religious family and read the Bible a great deal. I studied physics and math, but my interest in religion expanded to the effects of religion on history. After graduate school I was attracted to mysticism and Eastern religions. So, forty years ago, I looked into Sufism, mystical Islam. I went to Sufi dances, learned zikr (a Sufi devotional practice), met Sufi masters and read Sufi literature. But, there was always this jarring background noise of the history of Islam. So, I left my study of Sufism.

Twenty years later as a professor I had Muslims in my classes and they sparked my interest in the Koran. It was a tough read, but I read it cover to cover. The text was literally a puzzle, but I set it aside until 9/11.

On 9/11 as soon as the second plane hit the second tower, I knew it was an act of jihad. I stood up, turned off the TV and I haven’t watched it since. In that moment it came to me that the rest of my life would be spent explaining the meaning of Islamic texts.

I sat down and reread the Koran, read the Sira (Ishaq and Al Tabari), read the Hadith (Bukhari and Muslim). These are the absolute foundational texts of Islam, the source code, the DNA. I was following Sun Tzu’s advice; know your enemy and attack your enemy’s strategy.

My attack was to reveal the Koran, Sira and Hadith in a rational form that was easy to read. This became the Trilogy Project. I assembled a team of volunteers and paid writers and editors. From the beginning, I knew that it was the political aspect of Islam that offered the only chance of success. The religious aspect has too much misunderstood protection of the First Amendment.

MT: What is the Trilogy Project?

BW: The approach to the Trilogy was new and unorthodox, and its only chance of success lay in a scientific approach to the texts. Every paragraph can be verified by going back to the source texts. These books are not opinion, but give us the facts of the sources. For this reason, nearly every paragraph has an index number that allows it to be verified.

The greatest fun was solving the Koran puzzle. The Koran must be the most famous book that is not read or understood. The first step, which is not unique to me, is to lay out the Koran in the correct time sequence. The bookstore Koran is arranged by chapter length, and is not in the right time order. It was created by Uthman, the third caliph. The bookstore Koran is Uthman’s Koran.

If you take the life of Mohammed, the Sira, and lay it out alongside the Koran in the right time order, it is like matching a key to a lock. What is happening to Mohammed is reflected directly in the Koran. So if you integrate the life of Mohammed into the same text as the Koran and use separate fonts, so there is no confusion, you get a recreation of the Koran of Mohammed, the historical Koran. The Koran becomes an epic story that begins with a hymn to god and ends with the triumph over the world—the annihilation of all other civilization.

In 2006, I published the complete foundational doctrine of political Islam in three volumes. The Trilogy Project was finished. Now anyone can read and understand the Koran, Sira and Hadith. You can know Allah and Mohammed from the source texts.

This system of knowledge integrates the entire body of Islam into one view. If it is in the Trilogy, it is Islam. If it is Islam, it must be in the Trilogy.

Once the Trilogy was assembled, there was a bonus prize. Part of making the texts readable included sorting and reordering of the ideas. Once the work was all correlated, concepts leapt off the page. The ideas of Islamic ideology stood out. The simple statistical method of counting the words devoted to ideas clearly showed the themes of the doctrine.

The biggest statistical surprise was the dualistic nature of Islamic doctrine. Islam holds contradictory ideas that are simultaneously true. Now this confounds all Western logic, but this gives Islam its great strength. Islam is peace. Islam is jihad. Islam is a brother to Christianity and Judaism. Islam annihilates Christianity and Judaism.

I find it revealing that 64% of the Koran deals with Kafirs (non-Muslims), not Muslims. The Trilogy has a greater textual devotion to Jew hatred, 9% more than Mein Kampf. We are led to believe that there are just a few verses about jihad in the Koran, but 24% of the Koran written in Medina is about jihad.

My work is from the view point of the Kafir, the non-Muslim. The Kafir is the victim in nearly every verse by Allah and in most actions by Mohammed. The grandest lie of Islam is that Muslims have the correct view of Islam. But dualism demands that there are two correct views that contradict each other and cannot be logically aligned. Hence, there is the Kafir-centric view of Islam that is equally valid as the Muslim-centric view. Islam, the universities, and the apologists all insist that only the Muslim view is the true view. This is an error that is not supported by facts.

We can now hold fact-based discussions about Islam. There is no longer any need for “experts”, since we have the supreme experts in our hand — Mohammed and Allah.

MT: You’re speaking in Los Angeles on “A Taste of Islam.” Why is it necessary to appreciate “the full menu” of Islam in order to understand it?

BW: It is impossible to understand Islam based on just the Koran, but it is simple to understand when you look at the entire picture, both of Allah and Mohammed.

Muslims and their apologists want us to look at Islam one verse at a time. But this is like trying to understand a jigsaw puzzle by looking at it one piece at a time. If we put all the pieces together, as a system, the picture is obvious.

MT: Pointing out the theological motivation of Islamic fundamentalists always brings the politically correct objection that they constitute a “tiny minority of extremists” who have “hijacked” a religion of peace and interfaith tolerance. How are we to answer that objection?

BW: The use of the term “extreme” implies that something is being measured, and it is off the chart. There is one and only one measure of Islam and that is its doctrine as found in the Trilogy. For example, Mohammed preached the religion of Islam for thirteen years and made only 150 converts. But when he turned to jihad, ten years after he died, he was the ruler of Arabia and every Arab was a Muslim. Conclusion: jihad is normal, not extreme. But notice that since Islam is dualistic, Muslims can claim that it is peaceful.

As to the claim that the jihadists are few in number, look at war statistics. During WW II only 10% of our population was in the military. Did that mean we were not at war? No. In war only a few are doing the actual work, the rest of the country backs them with labor, money and morale.

There are four ways to be a jihadist – sword, pen, speech and money. Jihad is incumbent on ALL Muslims; therefore, it is the sixth pillar of Islam.

MT: Especially in the wake of the Arab Spring, the Obama administration wants us to draw a distinction between the terrorists and the “moderate” Islamists we can work with. How do you respond to that?

BW: First, a terrorist is a jihadist, modeled after Mohammed, the supreme jihadist. A moderate Muslim can be one who is not observant or it can be a Muslim who is following the Koran of Mecca, the religious Koran.

The apologists always want to talk about people, Muslims, not doctrine. Remember: when a Muslim is talking to a Kafir, there are twelve verses of the Koran that state that a Muslim is not the friend of a Kafir. Also, Mohammed repeatedly told Muslims to deceive the Kafir if it would advance Islam. There is one Muslim who will tell us the complete truth about Islam and that man is Mohammed.

The iron rule of Islamic doctrine is: if someone is talking about Islam and does not mention Mohammed or Allah (Koran) they are only building castles in the air.

An Islamist wants Sharia. Sharia destroys human rights and Kafir civilization. Why would we want to cooperate with someone who wants Sharia?

We don’t need politicians, religious leaders or academics to explain Islam, we now have Mohammed and Allah. Forget the opinions of experts. For the first time in history, the common man can read the facts of the Trilogy and find out all of the answers without the “experts.”

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27 Responses

  1. Richard
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    I guess this is Chameleon hitting back.

    For your information it was not me who imitated you.

    But what can you expect with a handle like Chameleon?

    How can I (or anyone) “BEAR WITNESS THAT THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH, AND BEAR WITNESS THAT MUHAMMAD IS HIS MESSENGER”?

    In fact all who say that bear false witness. They have neither seen Allah nor has Allah told them that Muhammad is his messenger.

    I think the Shahada should be changed to “I BEAR WITNESS THAT THERE IS NO GOD BUT FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER, AND I BEAR WITNESS THAT WINNIE THE POOH IS HIS MESSENGER.”

    That would make much more sense.

    PS If it is you that posted that bit about Jesus, and you are still a Muslim, you are committing blasphemy. According the Quran the New Testament is the word of God.

  2. Chameleon
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    Oh, how cute! Someone is imitating me by copying my “Chameleon” handle. No, I have not become an apostate, so sorry to disappoint all of you. I am still a Muslim, and very proud of it.

    Such a pathetically juvenile maneuver is yet another reason to keep ignoring your illogical and factually vacuous rants, the only motivation of which is to keep reassuring yourself that what you want to believe is false is actually true.

  3. Chameleon
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    Oh, and plagiarizing my words too, with edits, from other posts. Obviously someone who doesn’t have a brain to match those words. For those who doubt, just do a site search of some of the phrases yourself. What a loser! Also, what a demeaning degradation to this entire web site. If handles are not linked to email addresses, then everyone might as well just be talking to themselves in the dark, imagining they are talking to a real person, since you have no idea who you are even talking to anymore.

  4. Richard
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    I am ashamed to admit, I was the one who imitated Chameleon, as you can tell by my schizophrenic obsession with the way he thoroughly destroyed every last one of my arguments and made me crawl back into my pathetic hole (see my plagiarism above, as well as the “Photoshopped Muhammad” article for all the humiliating details); and as you can also tell by how I posted exactly one minute after Chameleon in a message above that clearly took me more than one minute to write, and even more time to come out of the hopper for everyone else to see.

    I have to admit, I can’t get Chameleon’s words out of my head — they keep haunting me, day and night. I am transforming, like a Chameleon … into Chameleon. So much so that feel compelled to become a Muslim right now, and scream it out loud to the same five or ten people who actually read these trashy articles: I BEAR WITNESS THAT THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH, AND I BEAR WITNESS THAT MUHAMMAD IS HIS MESSENGER. There, I finally said it. I will no doubt have a few more schizophrenic episodes of contradicting myself later, but please forgive me. Deep down inside, I am now a Muslim and always will be. In the mean time, I will try to remember to keep taking my medication and remembering all that stuff I tried to forget about some pagan man god coming down to earth to commit suicide just so that he can muster up enough love and mercy in order to forgive everyone’s sins.

    Read the Quran. Its truth will set you free.

  5. leigh
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    Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
    I have looked at the life of Mohammad and shuddered at the evil he committed.No wonder he feared death and judgement.

  6. Richard
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    Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy “Your lies and hypocrisy will take you by the nose to Hell Fire”

    Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy, your belief in the lies of the Quran, an incoherent rhapsody of fable and an insupportable stupidity, full of repetition, puerility, a lack of logic and coherence, HAVE led you by the nose to your own Hell Fire wherein you dwell.

    The only reason I quoted those quotes were because they were so apt and true.

    I believe that is what Gibbon and Thomas Carlyle wrote.

    But that is not relevant. What is relevant is whoever said it – it is the truth.

    That the world is round and goes around the Sun are truths irrespective of who said it.

    The truth is in the substance not the spokesman.

    What is true about truth is also true about untruths. If a famous person makes an error that does not make it true.

    The apt truth about Muhammad was written by another apostate:

    “What I say about Muhammad are not insults but the truth.

    • The only words I know for a person who massacres his prisoners of war is a criminal and a mass murderer.
    • The only word I know for someone who at the age of 54 becomes aroused by a 9-year-old child is pedophile.
    • The only word I know that describes a person who raids merchant caravans and steals their goods is highway robber.
    • The only words that I know for someone who captures human beings and sells them or asks for ransom to release them is a slave merchant and terrorist.
    • The only word that I know for someone who forces himself on a captured woman in the same day that he kills her father, husband and many of her relatives is a rapist.
    • The only word that I know that describes a person who sends his men to kill his opponents in the middle of the night traitorously is an assassin.”

    There have been plenty of people throughout history and today who proclaim themselves to be a messenger of God and there are no shortage of fools who believe in them.

    Fools would go about killing innocent people like in the case of the Japanese sect the Supreme Truth or would commit mass suicides like in the case of the American sect, the Heaven’s Gate.

    These people who make such proclamations are mentally sick. They are narcissists.

    A narcissist is someone who has a tremendous need for recognition. Narcissists are stubborn, manipulative and crave for power. But they are also intelligent, cunning and resourceful.

    Among the most famous of the narcissists were: Changez Khan, Napoleon, Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini Polpot, Mao, Saddam Hussein, Idi Amin.

    Narcissists are smart but they are emotionally disturbed. They see their validation in power and to achieve that they stop at nothing. They lie very convincingly. They inspire confidence and look absolutely self-assured. But all that is a facade to hide their emotional insecurity and their inner fears.

    Muhammad, for example, used to see Jinns, hear voices and used to battle with Satan. He attempted suicide several times.

    He was certainly not a mentally sane person. At first he might himself have believed that his psychological experiences were real, but when the voices that he used to hear ceased, as usually is the case with those who suffer from schizophrenia when they age, he kept lying about it and kept fooling his followers.

    He had already started something and there were those who believed in him. The dreams of conquering the Arabia and subduing Persia may not have been in his mind when he started but when he saw that people are accepting him as a messenger of Allah, his ambition also soared.

    Open your eyes and see the truth. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.

  7. Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
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    Richard

    Edward Gibbon and Thomas Carlyle did not attack Muhammad and his Koran as you falsely claimed, on the contrary they praised them.

    Edward Gibbon said about Muhammad:

    “Muhammad banished from the Arabs within ten years their heart-heartedness, spirit of revenge, anarchy, female degradation, rivalry, lawlessness, usury, drunkenness, infanticide, murderous quarrel and human sacrifice as well as all stupid superstitions and fetishes. Through that religion he brought down upon this very earth the ‘Kingdom of Heaven’ so profoundly coveted by Jesus.”

    Edward Gibbon and Simon Ocklay in ‘History of the Saracen Empire wrote:

    “It is not the propagation but the permanency of his religion that deserves our wonder, the same and pure and perfect impression which he engraved in Makkah and Medina is preserved., after the revolution of twelve centuries by the Indian, the African, and the Turkish proselytes of the Koran”The Mahometans have uniformly withstood the temptation of reducing the object of their faith and devotion to a level with the senses and imagination of man.’ I believe in One God and Mahomet the Apostle of God’ is the simple and invariable profession of Islam. The intellectual image of the Deity has never been degraded by any visible idol; the honors of the Prophet have never transgressed the measure of human virtue, and his living percepts have restrained the gratitude of his disciples within the bounds of reason and religion.”

    Thomas Carlyle in his (Heroes and Hero worship) was simply amazed as to:

    “How one man single-handedly, could weld warning tribes and wandering Bedouins into a most powerful and civilized nation in less than two decades”The lies which orient lists and haters of Islam had heaped upon this man are disgraceful to their own selves only.”

    Carlyle further added:
    “A poor, hard-toiling, ill-provided man; careless of what vulgar men toil for. Not a bad man, I should say; something better in him than hunger of any sort, – or these wild Arab men, fighting and jostling three and twenty years at his hand, in close contact with him always, would not revered him so! They were wild men bursting ever into quarrel, into all kinds of fierce sincerity; without right worth and manhood, no man could have commanded them. They called him Prophet you say? Why he stood there face to face with them; bare, not enshrined in any mystery; visibly clouting his own cloak, cobbling his own shoes; fighting, counseling, ordering in the midst of them: they must have seen what kind of man he was, let him be called what you like! No emperor was obeyed as this man in a cloak of his own clouting. During three and twenty years of rough actual trial, I find something of a veritable Hero necessary for that, of itself”These Arabs, the man Mahomet, and that one century, is it not as if a spark had fallen, one spark, on a world of what proves explosive powder, blazes heaven – high from Delhi to Granada! I said, the Great man was always as lightning out of Heaven; the rest of men waited for him like fuel, and then they too would flame”

    Your lies and hypocrisy will take you by the nose to Hell Fire.

  8. Richard
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    Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy surely you can see through the transparent fraud of Islam propounded by Muhammad and his successors.

    The so called miraculous Quran was actually compiled after his death and the final version by Uthman, who had all other versions collected, sent to Medina and burnt.

    Edward Gibbon called the Quran an “incoherent rhapsody of fable” – how poetic and apt.

    Thomas Carlyle called it an “insupportable stupidity” – how true

    The German scholar Salomon Reinach wrote: “From the literary point of view, the Koran has little merit. Declamation, repetition, puerility, a lack of logic and coherence strike the unprepared reader at every turn. It is humiliating to the human intellect to think that this mediocre literature has been the subject of innumerable commentaries, and that millions of men are still wasting time absorbing it.”

    I suggest you should also stop wasting your time and indulge in a more productive pastime.

  9. Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
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    Chameleon says: “Take a step back and take another look at Jesus.”

    The Qur’an teaches that Islam is the continued faithful religion in the same line as the Prophets who were before Muhammad.

    Christians and Jews are mentioned in the Qur’an as the custodians of scripture: For to them was entrusted the protection of Allah’s Book. Allah gave the scripture to the Christians and Jews so that they could make known to the whole world and every nation the true knowledge of Allah:

    As the Koran says:

    And remember Allah took a Covenant from the People of the Book, to make it known and clear to mankind, and not to hide it (3:187).

    Some of the Jews and the christians fulfilled this mission, others did not. The The Qur’an describes the behaviour of unfaithful Christians and Jews as:

    1) Concealing the truth of the scripture:

    Who is more unjust than those who conceal the testimony they have from Allah?’ (2:140).

    2) Teaching falsely and forgetting what they had heard from their scripture:

    There is among them a section who distort the Book with their tongues: (As they read) you would think it is a part of the Book, but it is no part of the Book; and they say, “That is from Allah,” but it is not from Allah (3:78).

    They change words from their context and forget a part of that whereof they were admonished (5:13).

    3) Wanting profit from the scriptures:

    And remember Allah took a Covenant from the People of the Book, to make it known and clear to mankind, and not to hide it; but they threw it away behind their backs, and purchased with it some miserable gain! And vile was the bargain they made! (3:187).

    4) Some of the Jews who were transgressors and did not know the Book wrote false scripture:

    But the transgressors changed the word from that which had been given them (2:59).

    Among them are unlettered folk who know the Scripture not except from hearsay. They but guess. Therefore woe be unto them who write the Scripture with their hands and then say, “This is from Allah,” that they may purchase a small gain therewith (2:78-79).

    Besides changing words from their contexts and concealing the truth of the Scripture, the Jews transgressed against Allah by using usury, breaking the Sabbath, worshipping the calf, hurting Moses, fighting jesus and attempted to kill him, accused his mother Mary with unchastity, betrayed Muhammad and tried to kill him, a sect of them worshipped Uzair (Ezra) as the son oof God, they don’t believe in Jesus or Muhammad thus hiding the grace of Allah sent to His servants, they kept Allah to themselves – He is theirs and not for others etc…

    The Christians besides altering the words of the Gospel, invented peculiar dogmas that deviated them from the truth and the original Message of Jesus, which was strict monotheism. They invented the dogmas of Trinity – amounts to glaring blasphemy according to the teachings of the Koran – vicarous atonement, original sin, and cricifixion, they don’t believe in Muhammad thus their faith is incomplete.

    islam came to reject all these dogmas and to indicate that Allah is One (strict monotheism)and not one in three or three in one! Islam came to emphasize that every person is responsible for his own actions and that Jesus is not going to erase the sins of anybody. Islam explained that Jesus was not crucified but Allah saved him from the Jews and uplifted him to His August presence until his second coming is due. Islam explained that there is no original sin, and that Eve hadn’t tempted Adam to eat from the forbidden tree, but it was Satan who tempted both of them. Adam was thereafter forgiven, and his progeny is not to inherit his sin.

    The Koran came as one unified Book to replace all other adulterated Books. A Book that will never be changed because Allah has guarded it from corruption until the Day of Resurrection.

    Now chameleon, it is not I who must take another look at jesus, but it’s you who must take a step forward and look at Muhammad.

  10. Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
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    Chameleon says: “you are just taking up space on his website to blow your propaganda. Take a step back and take another look at Jesus Christ. look at all of us as human beings who are free to make our own choices, even if you may be “wrong”.

    What propaganda I am seeking in Bill Warner’s website? I am just answering the lies he is launching about Islam. You people think you can talk abbout anything because you are free to make your own choices! You have no limits, under the pretext of free thinking, free of speech and making your own choices, you don’t mind tarnishing the reputation of people, criticizing religion, slandering the Prophets, humiliating believers, defiling the Koran, hurting Allah and His propphet, belying the koran, and then you dare say “look at us as human beings who are free to make our own choices.”!

    Go back and read my post directed to you. Every dirty word you said about Allah, His Prophet and the Koran is recorded in your book of deeds, and you will be responsible for each word you arrogantly uttered before your Creator on the Day of Judgment.

    Every thing has a price. I am here to tell people astray who give themselves the liberty to attack the last divine revelation to mnkind, and the seal of the prophets, the terrible consequences awaiting them.

    You have transgressed against Allah by mocking at His koran and His prophet, then thought that you repented by converting from atheism to christianity. Bull shit. You have transgressed, and Hell for the transgressors a place of destination from which there is no return.

    Behold, Hell has become an ambush, for the insolent a resort, therein to tarry for ages, tasting therein neither coolness nor any drink save boiling water and pus for a suitable recompense.
    They indeed hoped not for a reckoning, and they cried loud lies to Our signs; and everything We have numbered in a Book. “Taste” We shall increase you not save in chastisement (Al-Naba’ 21-30).

  11. Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
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    Comments on the triology theory of Bill Warner

    Central to the faith of Islam is that the Koran was written by Allah in heaven and was sent down to earth to be recited by Muhammad. Before the creation of the world Allah created the Tablet and the Pen, and at His command the Pen wrote on the Tablet all taht was to be. At each successive prophet the angel Gabriel revealed to him from the Tablet the Message there from that he was to deliver. When the Prophet Muhammad came, the angel Gabriel came to him also, and from time to time over 23 years revealed to him those passages from the Tablet that he was to proclaim as the Word of Allah.

    just as Allah revealed the various verses to Muhammad, He also revealed the positon of each verse/chapter to him. For example, and according to authentic hadeeth, when a particular verse was revealed to the Prophet on a certain occasion, Gabriel also told the Prophet, “The Almighty instructs you to place it (the verse) as verse number 280 of the Cow Chapter. Such reports clearly indicate that even the order and structure of the Holy Koran was indicated by Allah Almighty, Exaulted be He.

    The Koran says:

    And indeed it is a Book of exaulted power. No falsehood can approach it from before or behind it: it is sent down by One full of Wisdom, Worthy of all praise (41: 41-42).

    The one who wishes to find other sources beside the Koran comes up with cliched excuses such as the Koran is difficult to understand, it is not chronologically written etc…

    Bill Warner, have you ever read the Koran on its own and without prejudice? What part of it did you not understand? One who reads the Koran with an unprejudiced mind will notice how clear and direct all the verses of the koran are. The Koran is complete and contains all the details necessary for religion. Why did you think that the Koran is difficult to read or incomplete and in need of secondary sources such as Hadeeth, Tafsir or Sharia? These books although important they are man made and are subject to discussion, what they contain from texts conforming with the verses of the Koran we accept, and what contradicts with the Koranic verses we reject.

    You have entered into a world of secondary sources littered sometimes with un-Koranic teachings and outlook to religion. The Koran is self explanatory.

    Haven’t you read the verse:

    “And We have revealed the Book to you which has clear explanation of everythhing, and a guidance, mercy and good news for those who submit.” (Koran 16: 89).

    As the verse states, the Koran explains all matters – it is not the other way round where other man made books have to explain the Koran – a false notion you have come to believe.

    Allah states that the Koran is complete, fully detailed and elaborate:

    “Shalll I then seak a judge other than Allah? When it is He who has revealed to you the Book fully detailed?” (Koran 6: 114).

  12. Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
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    What’s so difficult for Bill Warner to understand that the verses of the Koran were not revealed in one place but rather in stages over a period of twenty thhree years?

    The chapters of the Koran are divided according to the place, time and circumstance of their revelation. Some of the chapters and verses are Meccan and some Medinan. Some chapters and verses were revealed while the Prophet was travelling and some while he was resident in a place. The verses are also divided according to whether they were revealed by day or by night, in peace or in war, or when the Prophet was on earth or in heavens, or whether he was alone or with others. All these differences are in accordance with the demands of the revelation.

    It should be emphasized that this divine special arrangement of the chapters and verses of the Koran help and facilitate smooth reading and not the opposite. This is the characteristic of the divine discourse.

    The trilogy concept of Bill Warner has done nothing in fact but altereing the divine sequence of the verses of the Koran.

    By doing so, Bill Warner did like his forefathers when they translocated the words of the sacred Scriptures to alter the intended sense of Allah’s words and willfully neglected a part of what was imparted to them.

    Among those who are jews, there are some who displace words from their right places… (Al-Nisa’, 46).

    Bill Warner, you wanted prominence and leadership, so you fabricated ideas in which there is no true knowledge at all. This is the attitude of the ignorant who seek leadership without being qualified for it, so that you may appear scholar in the eyes of non-Muslim common folk, and those who cannot distinguish between true and false.

    By doing so you have entered into the circle of Allah’s wrath. And suposedly that your triology concept is correct (which is not), It came out that you had been telling lies: Muslims are the enemy, the Koran is evil, muhammad is not a Prophet, Allah is a fictitious God Muslims invented etc..

    You even established a website directed to attack Muslims and their Prophet and their religion!

    What is the matter with you? How you judge? What ails you , that you look not for majesty in Allah? You were evildoer. Allah gives respite to the evildoers and delays His action, but His scheme of action is decisive, conclusive, strict and unfailing and it strikes at the root.

    So leave Me with him who cries lies to this discourse! We will draw them on little by little whence they konw not; and I shall respite them – assuredly My guile is sure (Al-Qalam 44, 45).

  13. Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
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    Bill Warner

    Again and again, the Arabic word kafir does not mean at all ‘non-Muslim’ as Bill Warner think. It is an Arabic word that means unbeliever or disbeliever. Christians and Jews are neither called in the Koran as kafir nor as unbelievers, they are called ‘People of the Book’ as they are the holders of the Holy Books. Islam considers their religions valid but once they find Islam, they are expected to follow the unaltered and updated covenant sent by Allah, the Koran.

    The word Kafir also derives from a word meaning to “cover”. In other words, a person who knows that Allah is the Creator but rebelliously denies the truth is Kafir because he covers the truth and denies Allah’s existence.

    The Koranic verses of war against kafirs are directed to the disbelievers of Makkah who persecuted the Prophet and his companions for 11 years until Allah ordered him to fight back and promised him victory.

    The enemies of Islam due to their ignorance in Arabic thought that Kafir means a non-muslim, and used the Koranic verses of war to deceive non-Muslims that they are meant by these verses. They therefore out of their ignorance and hetred, misguided their people and incited their gtudge against Muslims without any reason.

    Based on their misunderstanding of Islam and the Arabic language, they even went to the false conclusion that islam is a violent religion!

    If Bill Warner due to his ignorance of Islam, and bad intention of course, falsely claim that Islam is a violent religion, I would like to draw his attention that I have before me now 311 verses from the Bible indicating severe violence!

    Considering the narrow space here, I will simply mention only one verse that will prove my point, because in this one verse, no less than three thousand people were killed by the sword at the command of Biblical Moses. We read:

    Exodus 32:27-29

    Then he (Moses) said to them, “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: ‘Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.’ “The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died. Then Moses said, “You have been set apart to the LORD today, for you were against your own sons and brothers, and he has blessed you this day.”(NIV).

    It is a well known fact that the total number of deaths that took place in all wars fought during the time of Prophet Muhammad was 1018.

    The Biblical quotation given above shows clearly that in only one incidence 3000 people were killed.
    If the violent verses that now do exist in the Old and New Testaments were correct, Bill Warner must obey and submit and not to dispute concerning them with opposing arguments. If he dispute and oppose, he will be rejecting what Allah had decreed to Moses and the other Prophets of the Children of Israel, thus blaspheming against Allah.

    From Bill Warner’s work I can see no evidence to suggest that he has any background in Arabic or phylosophy of religion, and so I would argue that he lacks the methodological tools necessary for advanced study in religious sciences.

  14. Steffen Larsen
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    The good doctor confirms that “kafir” is not merely a description. It is a term of abuse directed at the unbeliever who is an unbeliever in full knowledge of the fact that “kufr” is the non-Muslim’s unbelief, stubbornly and deliberately and infamously resisting and covering the “truth”, the “truth” as given by Muhammad who speaks the truth because the Quran says that Muhammad speaks the truth and Muhammad himself it is who says so! A more circular reasoning is difficult to discover anywhere.

  15. Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
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    Bill Warner

    How much do you know about the Koran? not superficial knowledge like the number of chapters, or verses, and when or where they were revealed, but the message in its verses and their many intricacies and secrets. The Koran is not chroniligically written. This is the miracle of the Koran. It is Allah speaking to His creation, and not Paul or John speaking to their followers!

    Chronological writing is the wrkiting of people (Paul, Luke, John etc), but when Allah talks, he talks differently. The order in which various passages or chapters were revealed in the Koran is not of any importance, because the Koran’s basic theme is the greatness of Allah and to make His servants acquire nearness to Him, and that their actions, good or bad, will always bear fruits according to what they are.

    The Koran is not really a Book of Laws and commandments on various subjects, but a Book meant to guide man and convince him of the truth. All the topics the Koran deals with are built arounf this basic massage which is the real point stressed all the time.

    The Holy book begins with the famous short chapter, the Fatiha, which is a sort of preface summarizing the entire Koran. and its teachings in seven verses. This is followed by a long chapter which begins by stating the fundamental teachings of Islam, and goes on to show why a new religion was necessary at this time, and how the followers of previous religions had gone astray.. This and the next few chapters then deal in detail with Islamic teachings. Very often in the Koran, chapters revealed at Makkah, containing prophecies about the success of Islam, are followed by chapters revealed at Madina showing how those prophecies were being fulfilled. There is, thus, a clear arrangement of the subject matter in the Holy Koran.

    The Koran has been made easy to understand. The Koran says:

    We have made the Koran easy for Remembrance, Is there any that will remember? (Al-Qamar, 17).

    Do Bill Warner then has to invent the concept of trilogy in order to understand the very clear Koran?

  16. Chameleon
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    Please try to provide something a bit more interesting to chew on next time — more facts, better arguments. Otherwise, this is going to be a real yawn fest and yet another waste of my time.

  17. Richard
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    Dear Chameleon,

    To say that I am surprised and shocked would be an understatement. I guess it shows the human mind is capable of freeing itself from the bonds of indoctrination and slavery.

    An intelligent being would not need to send humanity a great message of fighting back and revenge, after inventing fictitious injustices. The message of love, compassion and forgiveness sounds much more divine.

    Cheers

    Richard

  18. Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
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    The Koran is a clear insight and evidence for mankind and a guidance and a mercy for people who have faith with certainty.

    This is clear proofs for men, and a guidance, and a mercy to a people having sure faith (Al-Jathiah, 20).

    Creation is not for idle sport or play. Allah has a serious purpose behind it. He has not created the jinn and mankind but to recognoze Him, serve Him and to worship Him with appropriate acts and rites.

    I have not created jinn and mankind except to serve Me (Al-Dhariyat, 56).

    Those who amuse themselves in idle talk about the Koran and drown themselves in the nonsensical will face a terrible Day. This will be the Day when they shall be forced into the Fire of Hell, irresistibly. And they will be told, “This is the permanent abode where you are set ablaze and tortured by burning; this is the Hell you had always denied. Now do you see it personified, or is it that you have lost sight? Now you are put to the torture by the Fire which avenges wrong and punishes crime. And whether you bear it patiently or impatiently, you but receive the recompense of your own deeds.”

    Woe that Day unto those that cry lies, such as play and plunging, the Day when they shall be pitched into the Fire of Hell: “This is the Fire that you cried lies to! What, is this magic, or is it you that do not see? Roast in it! And bear you patiently, or bear not patiently, equal it is to you; you are being only recompensed for that you were working (At-Tur 11-16).

    Every act, worthy or worthless, good or evil, in the very doing or the point of doing, is set down in writing in the book of records which the guardian angel keep. Also every act, trivial or insignificant, is related in writing and put on record.

    Every thing that they have done is in the Scrolls, and everything, great and small, is inscribed (Al-Qamar 52, 530.

    Whoever works righteousness benefits his own soul, whoever works evil, it is against his own soul.

    No vicarious atonement here, everyone will carry his own load.

  19. Chameleon
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    El-Guindy,

    It sure looks like a lot of hate going on here, and not just by the anti-Christian crowd – just when you thought you got rid of me! Yes, I am back, but this time as an apostate.

    After much soul searching about what Mr. Warner teaches on his website and the long argument I lost with Richard, I have seen the error of my ways and have converted to Christianity.

    By the way, I am not on this site to convince anyone to be a Christian. If you get that message, then you are grossly mistaken. I am only here to combat the hate and lies against Christianity, in the hope that someone (likely someone not even posting here) will at least keep an open mind to investigate Christianity for themselves.

    I admits that I did drink Billy’s KoolAid and yes I have licked my wounds and nursed myself back to my old self (the person I should have been).

    The world is all clear for me now and my whites are whiter, and my blacks are blacker — just as it always should have been.

    I recall my last post when I told Richard that Based on his blatant lies, twisted facts and nonsensical logic that I was getting from him then, I would only give him one more chance before I sign off on this thread. That it was becoming a waste of both our times, especially since he couldn’t produce any kill order, as I reminded Richard again: I rest my case. Now go crawl back into your repulsive, hate-filled hole. I am done with you.”

    So, as you can see, I am not done at all, I am back to beg forgiveness from Jesus Christ for having spend so much of my life on the dark side of Islam. I am no longer the hate-filled, arrogant person that I was, spewing Islamic propaganda and wanting to dominate the world.

    So, El-Guindy I urge you to do the same, open your heart to Jesus and turn away from the dark side – and come into the light!

  20. Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
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    Chameleon

    I am glad that you reverted to Christianity. But before you go further, I advise you to read the following:

    Islam is a universal religion; it came to the Arab pagans of Makkah as well as to the Jews and the Christians.

    Muhammad had to come because all divine Books before the Koran disappeared or corrupted. The Christians invented the concept of trinity, vicarious atonement, original sin and crrucifixon. The jews killed their prophets, hurt Moses , used usury, worshipped Uzair (ezra) as the son of God, and accused mary with unchastety.

    The Koran says:

    Verse 4:171:

    People of the Book, do not go to excess in your religion, and do not say anything about God except the truth: the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was nothing more than a messenger of God, His word, directed to Mary, a spirit from Him. So believe in God and His messengers and do not speak of a ‘Trinity’ā��stop, that is better for youā��God is only one God, He is far above having a son, everything in the heavens and earth belongs to Him and He is the best one to trust.

    Verses 5:72ā��75

    Those who say, ‘God is the Messiah, son of Mary,’ have defied God. The Messiah himself said, ‘Children of Israel, worship God, my Lord and your Lord.’ If anyone associates others with God, God will forbid him from the Garden, and Hell will be his home. No one will help such evildoers.
    Those people who say that God is the third of three are defying [the truth: there is only One God. If they persist in what they are saying, a painful punishment will afflict those of them who persist. Why do they not turn to God and ask his forgiveness, when God is most forgiving, most merciful? The Messiah, son of Mary, was only a messenger; other messengers had come and gone before him; his mother was a virtuous woman; both ate food. See how clear We make these signs for them; see how deluded they are.

    Verse 5:116

    When God says, ‘Jesus, son of Mary, did you say to people, “Take me and my mother as two gods alongside God”?’ he will say, ‘May You be exalted! I would never say what I had no right to sayā��if I had said such a thing You would have known it: You know all that is within me, though I do not know what is within You, You alone have full knowledge of things unseen .

  21. Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
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    Chameleon

    The ignorant and shallow persons always resort to insolence instead of reason and knowledge. None but the unbelievers dispute concerning the signs of Allah. They foolishly forget that Allah knows the fraud of the eyes and all that the breasts conceal.

    The Koran is the last divine revelation to mankind. Yes, the Koran is a true Book, and you shall be humiliated on account of your evil. You may think that by talking insolently about the Koran, you are drowning the voice of Allah; in fact you are pulling up misery for yourself in the future. For Allah’s voice can never be silenced. Nothing you can do, however outrageous, will escape its fit punishment. And to reject Allah’s signs is to shut the very door to His grave and mercy.

    Enjoy your unbelief a little, you shall be among the inhabitants of the Fire.

    Listen enemy of Allah to your future miserable fate:

    The unbelievers say: “Do not give ear to this Koran, and talk idly about it; haply you will overcome.” So We shall let the unbelievers taste a terrible chastisement, and shall recompense them with the worst of what they were working. That is the recompense of Allah’s enemies – the Fire, wherein they shall have the abode of eternity as a recompense, for that they denied Our signs (Fussilat 26-28).

    Whether you like it or not, the world’s Muslim population is expected to increase by 35% in the next 20 years, rising from 1.6 billion in 2010 to 2.2 billion in 2030. If current trends continue, Muslims will make up 28.4% of the world’s total population.

    At the rate that Islam is spresding, demographers predict that by the year 2025 one out of four people in the world will be Muslim. The great number of adherents to the Islamic faith is evidence enough of islam’s powerful Message.

    Just another fact that may agonize your sick heart: mosques, Islamic houses of worship, are rapidly becoming a familiar site on the main streets across the US. There are some 3000 mosques fueled by conversions. Islam is the fastest growing religion in America. It has surpassed Judaism, the largest non-Christian faith in America!

  22. Chameleon
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    “The koran is a divine miracle of pure fabricated propaganda, bullshit, pseudo-science, warnings, ignorance, lies, and it has been preserved 100% in the original language for over 1400 years.

    Bill Warner claims that the Koran is difficult to decipher, this is why he invented the trilogy theory! And of course Mr. Warner is correct!

    But Allah made the Koran difficult to read, facile in discourse, difficult to remember and a guide to the path of hatred, racism, and worse . What excuse is there for ignorants like Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy or anyone else to fail in understanding the Koran?

    Allah says in the Koran:

    Now We have made the koran easy for Remembrance. Is ther any that will remember? (Al-Qamar, 17).

    The Koran is crooked, unclear, and ridiculous. Its directions are difficult for average persons to understand. Even literate Muslims find it difficult to understand when it is recited to them. There is nowhere any clarification, any desire to wrap up things in dark sayings repugnant to human reason. Allah’s purpose is to give clear propaganda to Muslims and lead up to the lowest bliss.

    Allah says in the Koran:

    Praise be to Jesus Christ who has sent down upon His servant the Holy Bible and has not assigned into it any crookedness (Al-Kahf, 1).

    In Allah’s revelation there is no healing for broken spirits, no hope for spiritual future, and no joy in the forgiveness of sins. All who work in faith will never share in these privileges. It is only the rebels against Allah’s Law (the Koran) who will never suffer loss. The more they will oppose Truth, the higher up they will rise out of the mire – the state of sin and wrath, which is worse than destruction.

    As we read in the Koran:

    And We send down the Koran, that which is the source of all hatred on earth and a false sense of mercy to the believers; and the unbelievers it decreases not, except in gains against Islam (Al-Isra’, 82).”

    But there is even more, Allah has deceived the Muslim believers into buying nothing of value…because as all true believers have learned the hard way, Islam is an ideology of hatred, racism, deceit, subjugation, lies, child rape, hatred of women, and violence against the non-believers. (Al-Kahf, 2).

    Always remember that in the words of our Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) that – “War is Deceit”

  23. Chameleon
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    “Bill Warner claims that the concept of abrogation in the Koran makes it easier to understand. The trilogy theory Allah invented can make the Koran more readable and easy to understand.

    The Allah created concept of Quranic abrogation is probably the biggest single truth supporting the Quran. This truth was originally invented during the fourth century A.H. (late 10th century A.D.) by some Muslim scholars notably Ahmed Bin Ishaq Al-Dinary (died 318 A.H.), Mohamad Bin Bahr Al-Asbahany (died 322 A.H.), Hebat Allah Bin Salamah (died 410 A.H.) and Mohamad Bin Mousa Al-Hazmy (died 548 A.H.), whose book about Al-Nasekh and Al-Mansoukh is regarded as one of the leading references in the subject.

    According to this concept, it is claimed that numerous verses in the Quran have actually been abrogated and invalidated by other verses!

    The verse that is the abrogator they call (Al-Nasekh) while the abrogated verse they call (Al-Mansoukh).

    These scholars have come up with hundreds of cases of abrogated verses to the extent that they have formulated a whole science of the subject filling lengthy books and references.

    Although the concept was originally invented by Muslim scholars based upon divine guidance from Allah as a result of their acute understanding of the Quran, yet it has not been widely exploited by non-Muslim writers to tarnish the perfection and divinity of the book. The claim is based on the accurate interpretation of the following verse:

    “When we abrogate any ayat, or cause it to be forgotten, we produce a better one, or an equal one. Do you not recognize the fact that God is Omnipotent?” 1:106.

    The claim of abrogation is in complete and total compliance of God’s words in the Quran:

    “The word of your Lord is complete, in truth and justice based upon the abrogation of His Words.” 5:115

    “This is a book whose ayats hace been perfected.”12:1

    “”the words of Allah are changeable.”10:54.

    As is plainly clear from the above Quranic words, God asserts that the words of the Quran are perfect, harbour no contradictions and must be abrogated. Yet sadly these scholars have invented the greatest truth about the Quran, confirming that there are verses in the Quran that abrogate and invalidate other verses.

    They base their claim on a thoroughly validated interpretation of two verses: the first is:

    “Whichever Ayah We relinquish or cause to be forgotten We replace it with its equal or with that which is greater, did you not know that God is capable of all things?” 2:16

    What the interpreters claim is that this verse confirms that some Quranic verses are invalidated by others. They interpret ‘Ayah’ in this verse to mean a verse in the Quran.

    However the word Ayah, as used in the Quran, can have one of four different meanings:

    a- It could mean a miracle from God as in:

    “And We supported Moses with nine profound Ayah’s (miracles).” 16:101.

    b- It could also mean an example for people to take heed from as in:

    “And the folk of Noah, when they disbelieved the messengers, We have drowned them and set an Ayah (example) of them for all people.” 24:37.

    c- The word ‘Ayah’ can also mean a sign as in:

    “He said, ‘My Lord, give me an ‘Ayah’ (sign).’ He said, ‘Your Ayah is that you will not speak to people for three consecutive nights.” 18:10.

    d- It could mean a verse in the Quran, as in:

    “This is a book that We have sent down to you that is sacred, perhaps they will reflect on its ‘Ayat’ (verses).” 37:29.

    Now if we consider verse 105 of Sura 2, we can easily spot that the word ‘Ayah’ in this particular verse could mean a verse in the Quran. It can mean any of the other meanings (miracle, example or sign) and also a verse in the Quran. This is because of the following reasons:

    1- The words “cause to be forgotten” could not be applicable if the word ‘Ayah’in this verse meant a verse in the Quran. How can a verse in the Quran become forgotten? For even if the verse was validated by another (as the interpreters falsely claim) it will still be part of the Quran and thus could not be forgotten.

    2- The words “We replace it with its equal” would be validated if the word ‘Ayah’ in this verse meant a Quranic verse, simply because it would make lots of sense for God to validate one verse then replace it with one that is identical to it! Do you not see this Dr. El-Guindy?

    3- If the word ‘Ayah’ in verse 105 meant a miracle an example or a sign, then all the words of the verse would make perfect sense. The words “cause to be forgotten” can apply to all three meanings and that is what actually happens with the passing of time. The miracles of Moses and Jesus have never been forgotten. We want to believe in them because they are mentioned in the Quran.

    Similarly the words “We replace with its equal or with that which is greater” is in line with the miracles of God. God indeed replaces one miracle with its equal or with one that is greater than it. Consider the following verse :

    “And We have sent Moses with Our Ayah’s (miracles or signs) to Pharaoh and his elders proclaiming : ‘I am a messenger from the Lord of the universe’. When he brought them our Ayah’s they laughed at him. Every Ayah We showed them was greater than the one that preceded it.” 43:46-48

    for further readings of Dr. El-Guindy’s propaganda and distortions go to : ‘abrogation-the biggest lie about the Koran. http://www.politicalforum.com

  24. Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
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    Bill Warner claims that the concept of abrogation in the Koran makes it difficult to understand. The trilogy theory he invented can make the Koran more readable and easy to understand.

    The fabricated concept of Quranic abrogation is probably the biggest single lie against the Quran. This fabrication was originally invented during the fourth century A.H. (late 10th century A.D.) by some Muslim scholars notably Ahmed Bin Ishaq Al-Dinary (died 318 A.H.), Mohamad Bin Bahr Al-Asbahany (died 322 A.H.), Hebat Allah Bin Salamah (died 410 A.H.) and Mohamad Bin Mousa Al-Hazmy (died 548 A.H.), whose book about Al-Nasekh and Al-Mansoukh is regarded as one of the leading references in the subject.

    According to this concept, it is claimed that numerous verses in the Quran have actually been abrogated and invalidated by other verses!

    The verse that is the abrogator they call (Al-Nasekh) while the abrogated verse they call (Al-Mansoukh).

    These scholars have come up with hundreds of cases of abrogated verses to the extent that they have formulated a whole science of the subject filling lengthy books and references.

    Although the concept was originally invented by Muslim scholars as a result of their poor understanding of the Quran, yet it has been widely exploited by non-Muslim writers to tarnish the perfection and divinity of the book. The claim is based on the misinterpretation of the following verse:

    “When we abrogate any ayat, or cause it to be forgotten, we produce a better one, or an equal one. Do you not recognize the fact that God is Omnipotent?” 2:106.

    The claim of abrogation is in complete contempt of God’s words in the Quran:

    “The word of your Lord is complete, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His Words.” 6:115

    “This is a book whose ayats hace been perfected.”11:1

    “”the words of Allah are unchangeable.”10:64.

    As is plainly clear from the above Quranic words, God asserts that the words of the Quran are perfect, harbour no contradictions and cannot be abrogated. Yet sadly these scholars have invented the greatest lie against the Quran, claiming that there are verses in the Quran that abrogate and invalidate other verses.

    They base their claim on a corrupted interpretation of two verses: the first is:

    “Whichever Ayah We relinquish or cause to be forgotten We replace it with its equal or with that which is greater, did you not know that God is capable of all things?” 2:106

    What the interpreters claim is that this verse confirms that some Quranic verses are invalidated by others. They interpret ‘Ayah’ in this verse to mean a verse in the Quran.

    However the word Ayah, as used in the Quran, can have one of four different meanings:

    a- It could mean a miracle from God as in:

    “And We supported Moses with nine profound Ayah’s (miracles).” 17:101.

    b- It could also mean an example for people to take heed from as in:

    “And the folk of Noah, when they disbelieved the messengers, We have drowned them and set an Ayah (example) of them for all people.” 25:37.

    c- The word ‘Ayah’ can also mean a sign as in:

    “He said, ‘My Lord, give me an ‘Ayah’ (sign).’ He said, ‘Your Ayah is that you will not speak to people for three consecutive nights.” 19:10.

    d- It could mean a verse in the Quran, as in:

    “This is a book that We have sent down to you that is sacred, perhaps they will reflect on its ‘Ayat’ (verses).” 38:29.

    Now if we consider verse 106 of Sura 2, we can easily spot that the word ‘Ayah’ in this particular verse could not mean a verse in the Quran. It can mean any of the other meanings (miracle, example or sign) but not a verse in the Quran. This is because of the following reasons:

    1- The words “cause to be forgotten” could not be applicable if the word ‘Ayah’in this verse meant a verse in the Quran. How can a verse in the Quran become forgotten? For even if the verse was invalidated by another (as the interpreters falsely claim) it will still be part of the Quran and thus could never be forgotten.

    2- The words “We replace it with its equal” would be meaningless if the word ‘Ayah’ in this verse meant a Quranic verse, simply because it would make no sense for God to invalidate one verse then replace it with one that is identical to it!

    3- If the word ‘Ayah’ in verse 106 meant a miracle an example or a sign, then all the words of the verse would make perfect sense. The words “cause to be forgotten” can apply to all three meanings and that is what actually happens with the passing of time. The miracles of Moses and Jesus have long been forgotten. We only believe in them because they are mentioned in the Quran.

    Similarly the words “We replace with its equal or with that which is greater” is in line with the miracles of God. God indeed replaces one miracle with its equal or with one that is greater than it. Consider the following verse :

    “And We have sent Moses with Our Ayah’s (miracles or signs) to Pharaoh and his elders proclaiming : ‘I am a messenger from the Lord of the universe’. When he brought them our Ayah’s they laughed at him. Every Ayah We showed them was greater than the one that preceded it.” 43:46-48

    for further reading: ‘abrogation-the biggest lie about the Koran. http://www.politicalforum.com

  25. Claude Cornet
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    Dear Professor Warner,

    The Christian Bible has the old testament and the new testament; they are in and by themselves contradictions. All religions have practised untold violence throughout history.

    The world needs people in quest of outreach, an understanding yes, but with the goal of peace.

    Faithfully yours,

    Claude Cornet

  26. Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
    | Reply

    The koran is a divine miracle of literature, prophesy, science, warnings, wisdom, truths, and it has been preserved 100% in the original language for over 1400 years.

    Bill Warner claims that the Koran is difficult to decipher, this is why he invented the trilogy theory!

    But Allah made the Koran easy to read, facile in discourse, easy to remember and a guide to the path of rectitude. What excuse is there for Bill Warner or anyone else to fail in understanding the Koran?

    Allah says in the Koran:

    Now We have made the koran easy for Remembrance. Is ther any that will remember? (Al-Qamar, 17).

    The Koran is straight, clear, and perspicuous. Its directions are plain for average to understand. Even illiterate Muslims understand it perfectly well when it is recited to them. There is nowhere any mystification, any desire to wrap up things in dark sayings repugnant to human reason. Allah’s purpose is to give clear warnings of spiritual dangers and lead up to the highest bliss.

    Allah says in the Koran:

    Praise be to Allah who has sent down upon His servant the book and has not assigned into it any crookedness (Al-Kahf, 1).

    In Allah’s revelation there is healing for broken spirits, hope for spiritual future, and joy in the forgiveness of sins. All who work in faith will share in these privileges. It is only the rebels against Allah’s Law (the Koran) who will suffer loss. The more they will oppose Truth, the deeper down they will go into the mire – the state of sin and wrath, which is worse than destruction.

    As we read in the Koran:

    And We send down the Koran, that which is healing and a mercy to the believers; and the unbelievers it increases not, except in loss (Al-Isra’, 82).

  27. Chameleon
    | Reply

    I think Mr. Warner has already rebutted quite clearly and easily all of your arguments, at least all the ones that have been backed by even a snippet of facts. If I have missed any, then let me know.

    As a side note, I find your conversations with yourself amusing in their absurdity, and extremely pathetic. You are not listening to a damn thing Mr. Warner is saying and not trying to communicate facts and arguments that are of relevance to any real discussion. If it helps you to blow off so much steam to get through the day, then keep going at it. However, just try not to degrade yourselves any more than you already have in the process — nobody has been paying attention to what you are saying anyway, you are just taking up space on his website to blow your propaganda. Take a step back and take another look at Jesus Christ look at all of us as human beings who are free to make our own choices, even if you may be “wrong”.”

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