Tennessee has a bill in the legislature that tries of protect its citizens from jihad as legalized by Sharia law. The local paper has responded with the same tired argument–Islam is a religion and we are bigots to try to do anything about a religion. The usual suspects are interviewed, some Muslim leader and a liberal apologist who assure us that we are immoral by trying to protect ourselves from the violence of Islamic jihad.
Knowledge can teach us what is, but wisdom allows us to see what is not there. When you read the inaccurate articles published in the papers, there is something that is absent—knowledge about the subject at hand. Instead of facts about Islam, we get “expert” opinions from those who cannot even define Islam, which goes a long way to explain why there are no facts, only viewpoints.
It is exceedingly simple. Islam is the doctrine found in the Koran, Sira (Mohammed’s biography) and the Hadith (his traditions). The Koran does not have enough information in it to be a Muslim. The bulk of Islamic doctrine is taken from the Sunna of Mohammed (found in the Sira and the Hadith). All of the Sharia is based on Koran, Sira and Hadith, the Trilogy.
And do we find even one reference to the Islamic doctrine in such opinion pieces that are found in the media? No, not one. The media can talk about jihad without ever referring once to the doctrine of jihad found in the Trilogy.
The odd fact about the Islamic doctrine is that most of it is not about how to be a Muslim, but instead, the majority of it is about the non-Muslim, the Kafir. For instance, 64% of the Koran deals with Kafirs, which is not religious in nature, since none of the Kafir doctrine can be about religion, since the Kafir is strictly excluded from any aspect of the religion of Islam. The Islamic doctrine about Kafirs is purely political, hence it is Political Islam. The long and short of it is: forget about the religion of Islam unless you are a Muslim. Keep your eye on Political Islam if you are a Kafir.
One of the ways Political Islam manifests is jihad. To show how extensive jihad is in the Trilogy, consider that 31% of the Trilogy deals with jihad. Jihad is not just a verse or two; it is a major part of the Islamic political doctrine.
But our media shows us that they do not have any access to any expertise about Islam. There are no facts, just opinions. Fact-based reasoning does not deal with personal denigration of the opponent. Anyone who does not agree with the doctrine of ignorance as found in the media, the classroom and the pulpit is a bigot. Fact-based reasoning deals with the facts of the doctrine. However, our media “pundits” and apoligists are not able to even define Islam, much less hold a fact-based discussion.
Here is the rule: if there is no mention about the Trilogy of Koran, Sira and Hadith, then it is just another opinion and is not factual. Shouldn’t we demand that our reasoning be based on facts?
Bill Warner, Director, Center for the Study of Political Islam
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Many who taute here and other places Islam claim it is not against other religions. This is a lie. Consider this statistic. 90% of all minorities have been eliminated in Islamic majority countries over the past century. There has never been such massive elimination of minorites throughout 55 countries in the history of the world. Islam majority countries have the distinction of being the worst to minorities on such a grand scale never before experienced in the wworld.
Lee Jay
Hello Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy.
It is simple; if the Prophet of Islam can marry a child, have sex with slave concubines, marry more than 9 women and divorce when he wishes; then what makes him so special?
How could Angel Gabriel get a word in when the Hadiths glorify Mohammed pleasing all his females?
Now, the Koran contradicts itself all the time and if you think that cross amputation, stoning people to death, killing people for merely leaving Islam, and so forth; means peace, then it sums up yourself.
Also, Islam believes “everything is written” but if so, then why kill an apostate because it was written?
Does this mean that the Muslim God created individuals in order that everything is written and then supports killing despite the fact that everything was written?
Either way; Islam supports killing for merely “free thinking.”
This is Islam; and you know full well that if Buddhists, Christians, Hindus, and others, wanted to debate openly in the land of Saudi Arabia that all the non-Muslims would face death for merely speaking openly.
Yes, dictatorship and power control and all in the name of an individual who was unpure.
It is madness.
Do you know anybody in your life who had more sexual encounters than Mohammed and married a child?
This is your prophet………not much to be proud about and hardly a family man.
Now go back to your copy and paste and denial, denial, and more denial.
Lee Jay
Amit
how did Rumi follow submission and duality principle and used jihad? please explain
Amit
off-springs of the soul of Muhammad.. RUMI wanted to be this as said in one of his poems
Amit
Bill Warner ..
Give me facts on this please:
Wanted to contact you. Please answer this. I m from India and after study have realised that sufis too were for islam advancement and believed in submission and duality and used many deceit tactics and some also killed people in large amounts.
Now comes Rumi. I think no islam ruler or high figure can allow Rumi or any one to just sustain if they don’t believe and islam and if they don’t believe that Rumi is helping advance islam in core – which is submission and duality.
Rumi must be knowing this. how you see his poems and his attitude brought out from islamic core – sumbit to allah and his messenger or peril and the duality concept? he wrote on love but was it duality?
i feel yes because no muslim afer knowing his own truth trained from infancy like now in madrassa will continue other forms of way which is non-islam
how rumi was clever? spread islam? please tell me on basis of your reserach concept as mentioned above surmised in two words – submission and duality
Satya
THIS IS MY LAST CONVERSATION WITH THIS SITE.
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy”
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy ” December 8, 2010 @ 3:05 AM
https://politicalislam.com/self-taught/
after writing in above link:
Why the hell dr. mohsen el-guindy is still here??????????????????????????????????????
Bastards don’t keep their word!
Steve
Been away for awhile and yet I see not much has changed. Maus, I see you have questioned the good Dr. but in much civil and may I say cordial tones then I. As many have seen my back and forth with the good Dr. leaves many unanswered questions. Mostly from him. While I bring factual detailed evidence of the violent nature of Islam he begins to recite Islamic scripture. As if it will answer my questions. It only shines light on his true designs of misdirection thru smoke and mirror responses. lol.
He declares that Jesus came to pit father against son and brother against brother as the scripture states. But the good Dr. distorts the true meaning and wraps it around the shroud of hatred as to show relevance to Christianity being as violent as Islam. All of his rantings have been distortions and misdirections that creates a Mohammad of love and not the warrior of death as he eventually became. This is a tale of two Mohammads one from Meca one from Medina. This is the cloak of deception they advocate. Its to confuse and unarm the ignorant from understanding thier true designs of world dominition it’s called al-naskh wa al-mansukh. Where the Good Dr. says islam is a true loving faith the opposite actually is true. As any true Muslim knows he must abide by al-naskh wa al-mansukh and follow what Mohammad has mandated. I’m not here to change the good Dr. The evil that blinds him can not be changed. Only within his heart can he see the true evil that lurks within Islam . I’m simply here to let him know as well as others who read these posts that we see through him and his false religon. Weather he kills with the sword as his prophet says will bring mansions and vrigins in heaven or practice the art of Taqiyya by the pen they are equally evil. Islam may in fact rule the earth one day but in judgement they all will burn in the fires of their Allah.
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
Maus
As a matter of fact you are the only person I found reasonable in this whole site. Answering all these questions of yours and those of others consume a lot of effort and time. I have already went through dozens of your questions and I intend to answer them all. So please be patient, for I am in the middle of writing a book about salvation in Christianity and Islam, to be added to my other books in my website. Somehow I will find time for you Maus.Don’t worry, I’ll come back to you.
Mohsen
Maus
Source: http://www.aina.org/news/20110304222016.htm
(AINA) — A mob of nearly four thousand Muslims has attacked Coptic homes this evening in the village of Soul, Atfif in Helwan Governorate, 30 kilometers from Cairo, and torched the Church of St. Mina and St. George. There are conflicting reports about the whereabouts of the Church pastor Father Yosha and three deacons who were at church; some say they died in the fire and some say they are being held captive by the Muslims inside the church.
Witnesses report the mob prevented the fire brigade from entering the village. The army, which has been stationed for the last two days in the village of Bromil, 7 kilometers from Soul, initially refused to go into Soul, according to the officer in charge. When the army finally sent three tanks to the village, Muslim elders sent them away, saying that everything was “in order now.”
A curfew has been imposed on the 12,000 Christians in the village.
This incident was triggered by a relationship between 40-year-old Copt Ashraf Iskander and a Muslim woman. Yesterday a “reconciliation” meeting was arranged between the relevant Coptic and Muslim families and together with the Muslim elders it was decided that Ashraf Iskander would have to leave the village because Muslims torched his house.
The father of the Muslim woman was killed by his cousin because he did not kill his daughter to preserve the family’s honor, which led the woman’s brother to avenge the death of his father by killing the cousin. The village Muslims blamed the Christians.
The Muslim mob attacked the church, exploding 5-6 gas cylinders inside the church, pulled down the cross and the domes and burnt everything inside. Activist Ramy Kamel of Katibatibia Coptic advocacy called US-based Coptic Hope Sat TV and sent an SOS on behalf of the Copts in Soul village, as they are presently being attacked by the mob. He also said that no one is able to contact the priest and the deacons inside the burning church and there is no answer from their mobile phones.
Coptic activist Wagih Yacoub reported the mob has broken into Coptic homes and has called on Copts to leave the village. “Terrorized Copts have fled and some hid in homes of Muslim neighbors,” he added.
Witnesses said the mob chanted “Allahu Akbar” and vowed to conduct their morning prayers on the church plot after razing it.
By Mary Abdelmassih
My point here is that the West is not always to blame for Muslim conflict against Christians. Here was an incident before the Terry Jones bonehead burning that was caused by by a Christian and Muslim actually getting along.
The Muslim Mob were witnessed chanting “Allahu Akbar” which I believe to be “Allah is the Greatest” and said they planed on razing or completely destroying the Church because of the relationship.
This article flies in the face of what you have said I misunderstand.
Come on Mohsen, be my voice of reason and tell me this is not appropriate Muslim behavior! Stand up against the masses that misunderstand the Koran as you have tried to explain it to me. Please, tell me these people misunderstand the intolerance spoken of in the Koran between Muslims and the “House of War” and kafir!
Let us leave the religious differences aside and fight against the political incorrectness that these Muslims must truly misunderstand in Islam. Explain to me why no Muslims will stand against this!
Maus
Maus
After reading my posting, I thought I’d give an example of why I’d fear for my life if I were to express my beliefs in a public forum. Many others express their concern over the Koran and I would guess greatly enjoy a discussion of the various meanings and interpretations of Koranic verses.
Here is a case where Molly Norris, naive as she may have been, is now in hiding while trying to open up what might have been a good dialog between Muslims and non-Muslims. I think she should have gone about it better, maybe cartoons about getting people to read the Koran for example, but here you go with multiple sources.
http://www.seattleweekly.com/2010-09-15/news/on-the-advice-of-the-fbi-cartoonist-molly-norris-disappears-from-view/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1312941/Cartoonist-Molly-Norris-hiding-Everybody-Draw-Mohammed-Day-picture.html
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2010/09/seattle-cartoonist-molly-norris-goes-into-hiding-after-death-threat-over-draw-mohammed-day/1
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2010-09-19/news/27075825_1_awlaki-fatwa-clerics
I’m sure there are daily threats to the lives of people that attempt to explain their interpretation of the Koran no matter who they are or how they attempt to go about things. There isn’t a true open dialog between those that wish to understand Islam from a non-Muslim perspective and those that oppose free speech. I believe the political/religious attitude that I am beginning to see in the Koran is partially to blame. How can Muslims constantly play the “victim card”? I think I understand that now, free ticket to heaven.
I have a free ticket as well but it doesn’t require me to commit suicide and kill others or perform other acts of “victimhood” to get there. That is the idea I am sensing with our latest discussion.
Maus
Maus
I have looked up the statistics from the FBI for all reading this thread to see.
Source: http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2009/incidents.html
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Religious bias
Law enforcement agencies reported 1,376 hate crimes motivated by religious bias. A breakdown of biases for these offenses showed:
* 70.1 percent were anti-Jewish.
* 9.3 percent were anti-Islamic.
* 8.6 percent were anti-other religion.
* 4.4 percent were anti-multiple religions, group.
* 4.0 percent were anti-Catholic.
* 2.9 percent were anti-Protestant.
* 0.7 percent were anti-Atheism/Agnosticism/etc. (Based on Table 1.)
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These are the FBI statistics for 2009.
Only 9.3% were anti-Islamic, the rest against all other religions. Jewish people bearing the brunt of attacks with a whopping 70%.
Maus
Maus
I sense you are angry with me as I continue to examine your writings as the angry tone and number of swear words have increased.
It also seams that my questions are irritating you. I have a lot of questions coming to mind that just don’t make sense while reading your responses. You have inspired even more questions unfortunately. You are my Muslim representative who I am going to for answers to my questions of understanding the nature of Islam. Stop me if you wish me to try to fully respond to one of your criticisms instead of typing my first impressions into this little response box.
You stated, “Muslims never and will never burn the Bible as some Christian lunatics are doing nowadays with the Koran.”
You are correct, nobody should burn EITHER the Holy Bible or the Koran and those that do are lunatics.
I believe I showed ample evidence that what you say is false in one of my responses. There was even an example of a fatwa about using the Bible as toilet paper. You say not to believe the news, yet Muslims attack Christians (and others) because of the news and the RUMOR of Koran burning, way before the stupidity of Terry Jones. I don’t trust only one news source but I look to many new sources and they all say the same general thing, Muslims DO burn and desecrate the Bible. Please do not be naive, I know you know better. I cannot just take your word for it but have investigated other sources for myself. Muslim and other anti-Christian countries burn and destroy hundreds of Bibles every year as multiple sources can confirm by using the various internet search engines.
You stated, “To hell with free of thought or free of speech if it comes to burning the Last divine revelation to mankind, slandering the Prophet of Islam who came as a mercy to all beings, and degrading Allah, the Lord of the kingdom of Heaven and earth and the owner of the Day of accountability.”
This is what I perceive to be one of the most telling statements about Islam.
As a Christian, I can tolerate a burnt Bible because I know the Word of God and His teaching is vastly more important than ONE copy of a religious book. I have enjoyed this conversation because I believe God has inspired me to come forth and talk about these issues. The American media constantly berates Christians because it is a fad and every one loves to pick on those that are peaceful as a bully would on the playground. If you were to burn a Bible I would be offended, but not to the point of killing anyone. Culture does not excuse it but if the people were taught tolerance and the love of all people as the Bible teaches, I believe things would be better. It does not take centuries of the sword to persuade people to follow my religion when the Word of God inspires and they see the kindness Jesus taught and what a loving God there is due to his sacrifice.
Christianity does not teach that to leave Christianity is a death sentence as those that are awaiting death in Middle Eastern countries now do because they believe something else or they were accused of blasphemy against Islam.
Mohammad had a tough time of things early in the formation of Islam. He did not gather many followers until he left Mecca. When he became more warlike due to the revelations of Allah, by my understanding, is when Islam gained thousands of followers. This is not something I wish to debate as I believe the history is presented in the Sunnah and in other books better that I stated it.
Islam SHOULD embrace free speech so we CAN have these dialogs but in a public setting where I would not fear for my life if someone thought my questions were against the Koran and blasphemous against Mohammad instead of an attempt at better understanding. Why should people not be able to question ideas and politics when the good ideas and politics will be the ones accepted as right and good without the threat of punishment by people who misunderstand?
There are hundreds of disgraceful pictures about the “Prophet Jesus” as you would call him. If Islam truly believes he is a sacred prophet, why are there no Muslims defending Jesus as a prophet of Allah? Should it really matter He was not the “last prophet”? I can guess why, there are many verses in the Koran that describe non-Muslims as less than human. Why defend those people and their beliefs if they are less than human.
You state, “When the Christians criticize the Koran because it is not chronologically arranged, they have in mind their gospels written by human authors. They deliberately forget that the author of the Koran is not the illiterate Muhammad, but Allah, the Creator who challenged the pagan Arabs, the most eloquent people in their time to bring something similar, but they failed. The divine eloquence they read made them accuse Muhammad with sorcery. And a big portion of them entered Islam in groups after they read the divine Koran.”
But was it not Uthman, 20 years after Mohammad’s death, that gathered all the fragments of the Koran that Mohammad spoke and created a unified version of the Koran based on those fragments and the memorization of humans? The Koran seems to be based on human memory and the writing ability of others since Mohammad could not write down Allah’s words directly. That is no knock against Mohammad but a direct response to you saying the Bible is not accurate because multiple people wrote the books. Did not the verses of the Koran have a timeline to them as Mohammad spoke them through time? Why would Uthman rearrange the chapters if that is not the order Mohammad spoke them? Why would he destroy those sacred fragments after his version of the Koran was complete?
Even non-Christians would be confused at the ordering of the Koran. It is not just a Christian issue. Do not take me for a fool as I am not ignorant as the Koran states (6:111). If you were to rearrange the chapters of any story book not by some timeline but by length of the chapter or the number of words, would the story not be confusing to read from front to back? I find that a weak argument. You cannot separate the Koran from the Sunnah because the Sunnah is the key to unlocking the Koran. Without it you would not know the order of the verses and which verses were stronger than others, i.e. abrogated. That is logical in my mind.
You state, “Muslims have been ordered by their religion to defend their countries against foreign occupation and die as martyrs while fighting against the enemy. The recompense of martyrdom in Islam is great (heaven without accountability). This is why Muslims fight back severely, not willing only to win but also to die.”
Is that why there are constant fingers pointing at the West or Christians or Jews in order to justify “war” for martyrdom? In Islam the only guaranteed way to get to heaven is to die by going to war for Allah, you just said so. Does it not make sense to instigate “defensive” wars against “perceived” insults so that you can war with others and get a free ticket to heaven? Are not Muslims quick to anger as Mohammad was quick to anger for that very reason? That is what I am hearing in your response.
I believe that Islam is not a violent religion just because there are some violent verses in the Koran, but because that is the only way to heaven without judgment of works. Your statements have cleared that up and I thank you.
You said, “Those christians killed are the responsibility of the hate mongers like terry Johns and the like.”
No, those deaths are the responsibility of those that killed them. Take some responsibility for the way Muslims are treating others in the name of starting conflict. Again, excusing it because of culture is a weak argument and I don’t buy it. Are there Christians killing Muslims in the United States in retaliation to the deaths in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Indonesia and other predominantly Muslim nations? No. In fact according to FBI statistics, there are way fewer hate crimes against Muslims than there are against Jews or Christians in the U.S. Please, look it up for yourself.
Please, you were so polite before and now you are swearing and getting upset. I want to continue my discussion on matters but I fear you will leave out of anger.
Could you post a link to Christian attacks against Muslims where the Christians where assaulting Muslims because of their faith or chanting “Jesus is Lord” or something. I find it extremely hard to validate your statements on that point because I can find no sources for your statement.
Maus
Maus
Just looking around today:
http://pakistanchristianconcern.com/trauma-grips-survivors-of-church-blast-in-alexandria-egypt/
http://www.meforum.org/2872/koran-christian-persecution
How about Bible Burning:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/285123/christians_in_gaza_fear_for_their_lives.html
http://www.speroforum.com/a/17283/Muslims-burn-Bible-in-Pakistan
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/muslim-boys-urinated-on-bible/story-e6frg6nf-1111112640400
http://af.reuters.com/article/topNews/idAFJOE6940HY20101005
My point here is that there have been Bible burnings by Muslims in the past and in numerous countries and times. I’m sorry that I cannot accept that the West is responsible for all of the problems in the world or with Muslims, because there should be someone who stands up and says that Muslims deserve some share of the blame. I would really be impressed if that someone was Muslim.
This was interesting, I didn’t know this and given the light that the Koran believes the Holy Bible is the word of God:
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2010/09/defecation-torah-new-testament
Unfortunately, someone retaliated to the offense by asking for something inappropriate. It looks to me like that fatwa was a purposeful instigation of hate between Muslims and Christians/Jews or the very least treating other religions as less than valid. Can you defend that fatwa please? That is now part of Sharia Law, is it not? How is that any different than burning the Bible?
Part of me sees what Steve was trying to do with his publications of articles to act as a counterpoint to your arguments. It was very unfortunate that things devolved as they did as I believe there is some real good discussion at the heart of it. That’s why I jumped in. My point with my inclusions of links here is to show you what I see and what causes me to wonder how that is justified. You cannot always say it’s the West’s fault.
Is it my fault for Terry Jones? No, I don’t think so. He made his own choice by not following what he knows is right. I don’t believe Christianity advocates treating others so disrespectfully. Is it your fault about specific hate acts by self professed Islamic groups? No, I don’t think so since you seem like a level-headed person and treats others with some amount of patience.
Here’s a story I heard or read recently, greatly shortened ( I wish I remembered the source):
A Christian pastor and Muslim imam had been friends for 20+ years, having weekly talks about all things including religion and politics. One day the pastor said to the imam that he valued his friendship and considered him a true friend. He asked “I know the Koran says to kill all the infidels, but given the chance considering our friendship, would you kill me, a long trusted friend?” “In a heartbeat.” replied the imam.
I’m inclined to believe that story. If you actually met me and knew my beliefs, plus had the opportunity to practice that aspect of Islam in a Islamic controlled country, would you kill me? My opinion is that the answer would be “yes” and that is what I am hoping you can try and discredit. Unfortunately that is the impression you are trying to battle. I want to have faith in all of God’s people even though I know better.
As of my reading to date, I am under the impression that this website is on to something. I believe there is a large political agenda with Islam due to the vast differences between treatment of Muslims and non-Muslims in predominantly Muslim countries and communities all justified by the Koran and Sunnah as seen in Sharia Law. I just finished reading “Sharia Law for Non-Muslims” and again it paints a compelling case against Islam using the Koran and Mohammad’s own words and actions.
A question: Have you read the material presented on this site? Using the words of the Koran and Mohammad, the author makes a truly compelling argument on the nature of the political aspects of Islam.
Perhaps we can address that instead of religious differences.
The more we talk, the more questions I have about the nature of Islam.
Maus
Maus
Note: to the website administrators, I am sorry I am referencing an outside source but in my limited experience, I don’t know how else to respond other than some of my sources.
Quickly, I believe in only one God but I think your concept of the “trinity” is flawed. http://www.answering-islam.org/Morin/trinity.html
Next, I have much to digest but I do think that I can begin to see what fruit each tree produces. I admit there are some bad apples from all trees. I get confused over religious “no compulsion in religion” but at the same time a political “kill all infidels” concept. I can find the direct sources, but I know you can see my conceptual confusion.
I have sadness in my heart that there are misguided fruits of the Muslim tree (Islamic State of Iraq) that can enter a church on Oct 31, 2010 and kill a congregation of Christians in the midst of worship in Iraq. I’m sure there can be some denial of the motivations of those individuals (money or some kind of “instigation” by others or the “it’s the West’s fault”), but since an Islamic group claimed responsibility, that made me wonder what the other political teachings of Islam were. Here I am, searching the internet for answers because that event shook my conceptions of Islam. I am here because I picked up an abridged Koran to read it in the historical order and find the truth of Islam and its politics. I am understanding that Islam is both a religion and political entity. Not strictly religious like Christianity.
On the other hand, as a Christian I totally disagree with the Florida pastor that advocates burning the Koran. I think the more people that read the Koran, the better as they can draw their own conclusions. But I ask this: how come there are not any Christian attacks on Mosques and Muslims over the burning of Holy Bibles? I see burning and destroying Bibles in the news as well but there are no followup attacks to such disgraces.
You are correct, the Koran is easy to understand in a lot of places. But if you say my conceptions are incorrect, how can they be correct to the masses of people in poor countries that use Koran verses out of context to instigate conflict and piracy between Muslims and non-Muslims? I believe I can grasp underlying context and be critical of what I read because I, like you, have the privilege of a college education but there are so many that do not have that opportunity and read things as they are, exactly.
How should I read the “sword verse”? http://answering-islam.org/Silas/swordverse.htm
I see people that, after reading your responses, must misunderstand the teachings of Islam because they refuse to give Christians aid during the Pakistan floods of 2010. How can I conclude that I can turn to some Muslims for help if I become in need since I am non-Muslim AND in the “House of War”. As a non-Muslim, that concept confuses me because I don’t believe people should be divided into a group that is labeled as a group to be warred upon by a religion in such an open ended way as in Sura 9.
I am trying to understand how the political entity of Islam can treat non-Muslims with such contempt.
I do not wish to try and distill the religious comparison between Islam and Christianity as it is well documented at answering-islam.org and at best, since I agree with some of the comparisons at that website from my own research, I would only be using some of that information to help in my response to your attack on my faith.
Objections to the concept of trinity: http://www.answering-islam.org/Morin/trinity.html
Christian scriptures are true according to the Koran: http://answering-islam.org/Green/onbible.htm
You said yourself that the Koran confirms the truth of the Holy Bible.
And We have sent down to thee the Book with the truth, confirming the Book (Torah and Gospel) that was before it, and guarding it… (Al-Maidah, 48).
The Bible as been proven to not have been altered from the original sources that predate Islam. (Christian Reply to Muslim Objections – W St. Clair Tisdall)
I am grateful at having such a well read Muslim defender to attempt to answer my questions. Please do not take any offense at my questions since I am just starting my journey to understanding how political Islam truly is. Unfortunately just as you are true to your religion, so too am I stubborn to budge from what I believe to be the true religion.
Maybe we can start a new conversation with these questions:
1. Why are there so many Muslims that use the Koran to justify treating non-Muslims so differently? I think I read somewhere that in Sharia Law, it is okay for a Muslim to kill a non-Muslim without penalty but if a Muslim were killed a penalty is placed upon the offender.
2. Explain why changing from Islam to another religion is punishable by death yet you have “no compulsion of religion”. I don’t understand how you can say you have no compulsion in religion yet instill fear if a person chooses something other than Islam.
I am sorry I cannot properly answer your posts. I feel compelled to answer partially as I start reading your responses.
Maus
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
Maus
Now Maus, assuming that you have read my previous post, you should realize that Allah is One and must be worshipped as one God not three. In other words, on the Day of Resurrection Allah will never accept a Man or a woman standing before Him saying, “Allah (God) I have worshipped you as one in three or three in one.” On that Mighty Day Allah will never look at the deeds of his servants if good or bad if His servants hadn’t worshipped him alone. Worshipping Him alone is a pre-requiste for Allah to consider the good deeds of His servants in order to admit them to paradise. Good deeds without believing in the oneness of Allah ( pure Islamic monotheism) and worshipping Him alone without associating with Him any partners, wii be like ashes or dust blown by the wind.
Now let’s move to your questions:
1- Who said that Muslims murder people while saying Allah is Great? Don’t take your information from the biased media which had already poisoned the brains of the Aamericans. In Afghanistan for example, the Afghanis will fight the foreign forces until the end because they consider them as invaders. As long as the Afghanis’ soil is occupied by foreign forces, the pretext that these forces are there to settle peace or establish freedom or democracy is bullshit. This same situation applies to all Muslim countries under any forreign occupation. Muslims have been ordered by their religion to defend their countries against foreign occupation and die as martyrs while fighting against the enemy. The recompense of martyrdom in Islam is great (heaven without accountability). This is why Muslims fight back severely, not willing only to win but also to die.
Muslims were also ordered to defend their religion. When the Koran was burned or defiled, their reaction might be unpredictable, because it differs from one Islamic culture to another. Whatever the results may be, the question arises, “Why Muslims were provoked in the first place by burning the sacred Book they live by! It is unacceptable to see some morons claiming that burning few pages does not equal killing innocent people! The Koran is not just an ordinary book, it is the last Word of Allah addressed to all His creation, and on the Day of Judgement every human being will be responsible for every commandment Allah decreed in the Koran for His servants to follow.
When I was just a kid in the 1950s, watching American cartoons, the bad guy was always an Arab with a black bandage on his left eye, and a sword in his hand running after a westenner to kill him. This ugly and untrue stereotype was inserted by the media into the American mind since the late 1940s. The reason for such ugly stereotype was the occupation of the Israelis of the Palestinian land in 1948. It was important for them to represent the Arabs as savages willing to kill everything unislamic. This will ensure international donations to the poor Israelis whom the savage Arabs want to throw them into the sea.
2- During the course of discussion with Steve, he wanted to show me that Islam is a violent religion by taking some Koranic verses talking about war out of their context. I explained to him the facts behind these wars which were ordered by Allah in order for the Prophet to fight his enemy and spread Islam in a very hostile environment. But he opposed and illogically rtejected. Therefore, in order to show him that this kind of debate is worthless and not scientific I decided to adopt his same procedure.
I borrowed several verses about war from the Old and New Tastements talking about rape, murder, genocide, and racism. In the course of discussing the same subject I showed him statistically that the deaths resulting from the Christian world over the ages amounted to 400 million deaths compared with only 10 million from the Islamic world. He was dumbfounded of course, but I added, “Would I because of all this I consider Christianity as a violent religion? Of course not, because this killing was coming from Christians who don’t adhere to the true teachings of Jesus. As for the evil verses found in the Torah and the Gospel, we Muslims think that the present Bibles are the result of curtailments and additions from their authors and hence, do not represent the true teachings of Jesus. However, we know from the Koran that Jesus is true, the Gospel is true, and above all, the Koran told us what Jesus exactly said to the his disciples and to the Children of Israel.
3- The Koran is clear by itself. You can understand it without knowing much of Muhammad’s life. Some events which happened to the Prophet during his mission were mentioned in the Koran. Only these events, which are relatively few, can be attached to their relevant verses in the Koran.The Sunnah explains in detail what the Koran touched in brief. The Prophet for example explained for Muslims how to pray five times a day, while the Koran just touched such issue in brief. The Koran is therefore a complete code of life for all people to read and comprehend, the Sunna however is only explanatory.
4- Islam is never to be compared with Christianity. Although both religions preached Islam (Pure monotheism) – the only religion Allah will accept on the Day of Jidgement – the mission of Jesus was only limited to 3 years, while that of Muhammad lasted 23 years. Jesus came to make reconciliation between the human soul and the Creator, and to compel the Children of Israel to abide by the law which the Israelites had abundoned a long time ago. Muhammad came for a greater task. He came to establish the kingdom of Allah on earth and re-establish the concept of Allah’s Oneness (Islamic monotheism), the religion of his father Abraham. Jesus came with a Book which was after him adulterated, then published as several books each had a human author. This matter however, led to the addition of several superstitions of old to the original teachings of Jesus (a truine God, Jesus is God or son of God, vicarious atonement, Jesus crucifixion, original sin, etc.).
Muhammad brought a Book that was guarded by Allah until the Day of judgement, a code of conduct dealing with all aspects of life – social, political, inheritance, men and women rights, marriage, divorce, transaction, economics, conduct, war, murder, theft etc. By orders from Allah and with divine help, Muhammad launched wars to defend his religion and protect his companions, and to spread Islam all over the Arabian penynsula, and from there it spread to the four corners of the world.
In Islam there is no compulsion in religion. Men and women had been given the free choice to either believe or not to. But those who chose to disbelieve will have much to answer on the Day of Judgement.
5- The Koran is the final revelation of the will of Almighty God to all of mankind, which was conveyed through the Angel Gabriel, in Arabic, to the Prophet Muhammad in its sounds, words and meanings.
IThe Koran was conveyed by ArchAngel Gabriel, the same angel who had conveyed Allah”s revelations to his earlier prophets, including Abraham, Moses and Jesus. Prphet Muhammad received this first revelation at the age of 40 in 610 A.D.
The prophet received the revelations on various matters, ideas, knowledge, instructions, advice and guidance over 23 years. Sometimes the Prophet received a single verse, sometimes a few verses together and sometimes an entire chapter.
Allah says: “We have rehearsed the Quran to thee (O Muhammad) in slow, well-arranged stages gradually.” (25:32)
Upon receiving each revelation, the Prophet asked any one of his companions who could read and write to record it. This was done by the Prophet reciting the revelation he had received from God and a scribe taking it down. After the scribe had taken down what had been dictated to him (on the writing material of those days), the Prophet asked the scribe to read aloud what he had recorded – to make sure that he had recorded correctly what had been dictated to him.
In this way, the entire Quran, 114 chapters in all, was completed in manuscript form before the Prophet’s death. The various chapters in the Quran were arranged by the Prophet himself through divine guidance. The chapters of the Quran are not arranged in chronological order but in the order of divine preferance.
The Koran’s method of approach and presentation is unique, for it never deals chronoligically with a topic in the systematic way used by any other author of theology. On the contrary, it expressly says that it has adopted a special manifold method of its own. That is, the display of varieties of topics and the shifting from one subject to another, and then the reverting to the previous one and repeating the same subject with deliberation and purpose. It uses unique rhythmic forms of recitation to facilitate the understanding, and the remembering of it.
As we read in the Koran:
“Behold how We turn about the signs, that they may understand. (Al-An’am, 65).
The arrangement of the Koranic verses is however, something rather peculiar to the Koran. Revelations of various dates and on different subjects are to be found together in one sura; verses of Madina revelation are found in Makkan suras; some of the Madinan suras, though of late revelation, are placed first and the very early Makkan suras at the end. The arrangement however, is not haphazard, as some have hastily supposed. Closer study reveals a sequence and significance – as for instance, with regard to the placing of the very early Makkan suras at the end.
The order of the suras therefore, does not reflect the chronological order of the Koranic verses, nor does the sura structure reflect the nature of the original Koranic revelation. During his lifetime, Muhammad would have individual verses revealed to him, these revelations occurred unexpectedly and in surprising places. The Prophet and his companions would memorize the revealed verses, and under the guidance of Gabriel the Prophet organized these verses into the existing suras. The intervention of Gabriel in organizing the various verses was meant to guarantee not only the sanctity of the individual verses, but also the religious validity of the organization of these verses in the Koran.
Such divine structure, miraculously makes the Koran very easy to understand and memorize.
When the Christians criticize the Koran because it is not chronologically arranged, they have in mind their gospels written by human authors. They deliberately forget that the author of the Koran is not the illiterate Muhammad, but Allah, the Creator who challenged the pagan Arabs, the most eloquent people in their time to bring something similar, but they failed. The divine eloquence they read made them accuse Muhammad with sorcery. And a big portion of them entered Islam in groups after they read the divine Koran.
Miraculously, although the Koran was so reach in eloquence, it was made very simple to understand and memorize by those well versed in Arabic, the iliterates, and the common!
Books arranged chronologically are those written by human mind, because this is how the human mind think. When it comes to Allah the matter is totally different.
Saying that Christians can only have to look at the Bible to learn how to live according to God’s plan because the Bible is ordered in chronological fashion and the Books of the Bible were written by numerous authors with different viewpoints in history inspired by the Word of God, is in fact a very serious matter. This is how the Christians justify the discrepancies found in their books. They allowed the Word of God to Jesus to be manipulated to the extent of having several books each having different opinions, additions and curtailments that drastically changed the original word of Allah and the authentic teachings of Jesus. The Word of Allah must be followed blindly and not to be left to the opinions of people.
The Christian scholars themselves admitted that 25% of the present gospel of Paul are the words of Jesus while the remaining 75% are the words of Paul. They further added that Paul is the real founder of present Christianity and not Jesus. And what Paul did to the original teachings of Jesus? He introduced the fables of old i.e. Trinity, truine God, vicarious atonement, Jesus crucifixion, original sin etc. this is why the Koran came to correct and amend, and warn all people for the last time that Allah, the Lord of creation is One, and is the only god to be worshipped (pure Islamic monotheism).
6- Saying that the Christians do not form mobs and kill Muslims when Muslims burn the Bible is untrue. Muslims never and will never burn the Bible as some Christian lunatics are doing nowadays with the Koran. You know why? Because, although Muslims believe that the present bibles are adulterated, They still believe that they contain a small portion of the true words of Jesus. They also believe in the authentic Bible of Jesus that was in the possession of his disciples and their followers before the emergence of Paul 70 years after the departure of Jesus and did what he did. Also, the Koran honor Jesus and his mother Mary. Muslims believe in the teachings of Jesus that were mentioned only in the Koran.
Allah says in the Koran:
And We have sent down to thee the Book with the truth, confirming the Book (Torah and Gospel) that was before it, and guarding it… (Al-Maidah, 48).
This verse is understood within the fact that after the corruption of the older revelations, the Koran come with a twofold purpose (1) to confirm the true and original Messaage (Torah, Gospel), and (2) to guard it, or act as a check to its interpretation. The Koran safeguards the old revelations, for it has preserved within it the teachings of all former books. It watches over these Books in the sense that it will not let their true teachings to be lost. It supports and upholds these Books in the sense that it corroborated the Word of Allah which has remained intact in them. It stands as a witness because it bears testimony to the Word of Allah contained in these Books and help to sort it out from the interpretations and commentaries of the people which were mixed with it: what is confirmed by the Koran is the Word of Allah and what is against it is that of the people.
Don’t take any information from the biased news or even from a website like this. Look after the truth for yourself. Search and learn. The Day of accountability is near and we must be ready for this day.
You say Muslims kill the Christians everywhere! Wrong, because provocation comes from the West, burning the Koran may lead to disasterous events according to the cultures of Muslims living in different parts in the world. Those living a primitive tribal life could respond viciously like what happened in Afghanistan or Pakistan. Those christians killed are the responsibility of the hate mongers like terry Johns and the like. Don’t accuse Muslims of killing and forget the burning, and the defiling of the Koran; the slandering of the Prophet of Islam, and degrading the Creator Allah (Moon god etc). Unfortunately however,all this insolence and acts of blasphemy are made under the pretext of free of speech. You want my opinion? To hell with free of thought or free of speech if it comes to burning the Last divine revelation to mankind, slandering the Prophet of Islam who came as a mercy to all beings, and degrading Allah, the Lord of the kingdom of Heaven and earth and the owner of the Day of accountability.
What is left is your question regarding the explanation of the Koranic verses you thought are urging Muslims to kill non-Muslims. I went through them and none of them indicate what you have in mind. This could be a subject matter of a future coversation
Maus
Mohsen,
You have me at an extreme disadvantage. It will take me some time to digest what you have written and attempt to respond in the next day or so. I have not attempted a Christian apologetic or debate on Islamic ideology.
With the hundreds of Islamic apologetic pages that you have, I am obviously not as prepared as you on these topics. Since it looks like the majority of writing you have on your website is decidedly for Christians to convert them to Islam, you could possibly have a better religious discussion with people such as answering-islam.org on the matters of religion and the differences between Islam and Christianity. I would be interested in reading that discourse.
My original goal was to understand how one ideology can be so prone to violent action while other ideologies and religions are not, i.e. why is there so much Muslim violence verse Christians lately. It seems that God has other plans for me as He did Jonah and I am now drawn into this debate.
I will attempt an answer to your previous post but please be patient with me while I collect my thoughts and do some research for a more comprehensive response. It will probably be more ideological in nature than religious, but I’m sure God has other plans for me and I will inject some passages from the Holy Bible in there as needed to explain my views. If you could wait until that post to respond, that would be appreciated, so we don’t get two threads going at the same time. If you do respond before that time, that is fine and I will do my best to respond to that one as well.
One thing I do disagree with and can be responded to quickly and I will attempt to detail more in the next response is…
You had written “It is not of Him at all to come later and change His mind, and change his ways.” and quoted a specific Bible verse, Samuel 15:22.
This to me is interesting because that is precisely the thing the Koran does in my view. Surah 2:106 states “Any message which, We annul or consign to oblivion We replace with a better or a similar one. Dost thou not know that God has the power to will anything? ” My understanding that those verses that come later in the Koran are the ones to follow and not the earlier commands. The later verses have substituted something better and more appropriate to be followed. That’s what I see as the definition of abrogation in the Koran. This confused me at first because I did not understand how the Koran was organized. I have since found the appropriate resources to order the Koran so I know the stronger verses vs the weak ones.
I don’t believe I am taking Surah 2:106 out of context. Forgive the ‘cut and paste’ but these bits that I found on abrogation were very enlightening to me that it is in response to Koranic changes and not the Holy Bible as people have warned would be a response to abrogation. These passages might be able to lead others to look into these as well and add to the discussion.
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Tafsir al-Jalalayn
Re: Sura 2:106
“When the disbelievers began to deride the matter of abrogation, saying that one day Muhammad enjoins his Companions to one thing and then the next day he forbids it, God revealed: And whatever verse (mÄ is the conditional particle), that has been revealed containing a judgement, We abrogate, either together with its recital or not [that is only its judgement, but its recital continues]; there is a variant reading, nunsikh, meaning ‘[Whatever verse] We command you or Gabriel to abrogate’, or postpone, so that We do not reveal the judgment contained in it, and We withhold its recital or retain it in the Preserved Tablet; a variant reading [of nunsi’hÄ] is nunsihÄ, from ‘to forget’: so ‘[Whatever verse We abrogate] or We make you forget, that is, We erase from your heart’; the response to the conditional sentence [begun with mÄ] is: We bring [in place] a better, one that is more beneficial for [Our] servants, either because it is easier [to implement] or contains much reward; or the like of it, in terms of religious obligation and reward; do you not know that God has power over all things?, including abrogating and substituting [verses]? (the interrogative here is meant as an affirmative).”
Tafsir Ibn Abbas
Re: Sura 2:106
“Then Allah mentions what was abrogated of the Qur’an and that which was not abrogated, as a direct reference to the claim of the Quraysh who said to the Prophet: O Muhammad! Why do you command us to do something and then forbid it, saying: (Such of Our revelations as We abrogate) We do not erase a verse that was acted upon before and which is now not acted upon (or cause to be forgotten) or leave unabrogated so that it is acted upon, (We bring one better) We send Gabriel with that which more profitable and easier to act upon (or the like) in reward, benefit and action. (Knowest thou not) O Muhammad (that Allah is Able to do all things?) of the abrogated and unabrogated.”
Tafsir Ibn Kathir:
Re: Sura 16:101 (and Sura 2:106)
“…When they saw that some rulings had been changed by being abrogated, they said to the Messenger of Allah :
(You are but a forger) meaning one who tells lies. But Allah is the Lord Who does whatever He wills, and rules as He wants.
(And when We change a verse (of the Qur’an) in place of another) Mujahid said: this means, “We remove one and put another in its place.” Qatadah said: this is like the Ayah:
(Whatever verse We change [abrogate] or omit [the abrogated]…)” (2:106). Allah said, in response to them:”
Tafsir al-Jalalayn
Re: Sura 16:101
“And when We exchange a verse in place of a [different] verse, by abrogating it and revealing another, for the welfare of [God’s] servants ” and God knows best what He reveals ” they say, that is, the disbelievers [say] to the Prophet (s): ‘You are just a fabricator’, a liar, making it up yourself. Nay, most of them do not know, the true nature of the Qur’Än and the benefit [to God’s servants] of abrogation.”
Tafsir Ibn Abbas
Re: Sura 16:101
“(And when We put a revelation) when We send Gabriel with an abrogating verse (in place of (another) revelation) in place of another abrogated verse, (and Allah knoweth best what He revealeth) and Allah knows the probity of that with which He commands His servants, (they say) the disbelievers of Mecca say: (Lo! thou art but inventing) from yourself, O Muhammad. (Most of them know not) that Allah commands His servants with that which is good for them.”
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After reading these responses to abrogation in searching for a better understanding, I feel I now have a better view on why you can say 2 conflicting things and mean them both. Simplisticly, you can say there is freedom of religion and also say the penalty for apostasy is death, i.e. you are free to believe what you wish but if you are non-Muslim you die. Both are Koranically true. My problem is that the death penalty for apostasy is a stronger verse and the prefered verse than the freedom of religion one.
In a way, I am looking forward to researching and writing up my response, specifically in the reasons I see how there is justification in the Muslim conflict with Christians that I see on the news almost every day.
Thank you for your patience and please be patient with me.
Maus
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
Maus
I liked your post, you seem willing to understand and not to reject or oppose without reason. The misunderstanding of the Christians regarding Islam is in fact due to either ignorance of Islam or intentional opposition based on hatred and unjustified stubborness.
The religion of Islam is clear to every seeker after the truth who wants to learn about Islam. Muslims will never be apolegitic about their religion. What Allah said is already there in the Korand which Allah preserved it from corruption until the Day of Judgement, and what Muhammad said is there in the well guarded authentic Sunna.
One of the biggest mistakes the Christians fall into is that they look at Islam from the Christian perspective: Jesus said turn the other cheek to your enemy, but Muhammad launched wars against his opponents; Islam is a violent religion while Christianity is a peaceful one etc. They neglect the fact that the ministry of Jesus lasted only 3 years while that of Muhammad lasted 23 years. Jesus came to the lost sheep of the Children of Israel but Muhammad came with a universal religion to the whole world. Jesus urged people to strive to improve themselves while Muhammad brought a completed code of conduct dealing with all aspects of life. A conduct that all people will be responsible for in the Day of Judgement.
Muhammad brought glad tidings to the believers, but he was also a last warner to the unbelievers. Because Islam is a universal religion, all people of the world must take heed and be alert to what the Koran and the Prophet said. No other sacred Book will come after the Koran, the next appointment will not be with another Prophet, but with Allah. The resurrection of everyone of us in this world is his death, and after death, no one can come back to life and do good deeds. The Koran which is mocked at by the ignorants and burned by the lunatics is a wheighty Word, it is a decisive Message it is no pleasantry.
I t is amazing to see that the Christians of today who are attacking Islam by taking the Koranic verses out of their contexts in order to deliberately misguide their people, neglect the verses that came to warn them of a Mighty day if they don’t adhere to the true teachings of Jesus that were adulterated in the gospels written by several human authors!
So Maus, before I answer your questions in a next post, I want you to read carefully what the Koran said about the true teachings of Jesus that were violated in the present gospels.
The word Islam means, “surrender” to the will of God, Allah. Since there is only one God and mankind is one species, the religion that God has ordained for human beings is one. So why the different religions?
God in His mercy had sent messengers to convey His message, to different peoples, in different times. Each prophet came with guidance and miracles that were relevant for his time, and for his people, but the message was the same: That there is only one God, and worship is for him alone. This “Islam” was the religion brought by all the prophets of God. Islam was the religion of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses and Jesus (peace be upon them all). God has in His Grace, addressed this issue to man in His final revelation, the Noble Quran.
“Seek they other than the religion of God, when unto Him submits whosoever is in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly, and unto Him they will be returned.
Say: We believe in God and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed unto Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and his sons, and that which was given to Moses and Jesus and the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between them, and unto Him we have surrendered.”
(Quran 3:83-84)
“And for every nation there is a messenger.”
(Quran 10:48)
“And we sent Noah unto his people (and he said): O my people! Serve God. You have no other god save Him. Will you not ward off evil?”
(Quran 23:23)
Man was to follow each prophet when he came, till the advent of another prophet. Since these messengers were sent only for their people and their time, mankind has since tampered with those previous revelations (Torah, Gospel etc), and the message of those respective prophets has been perverted, leaving behind much confusion and hearsay:
“And lo! There is a party of them who distort the Scripture with their tongues, that you may think what they say is from the Scripture when it is not. And they say: It is from God, when it is not from God; and they speak a lie concerning God knowingly.”
(Quran 3:78)
Consequently, Allah has sent the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as His last messenger to mankind. This implies that he must come with a complete and clear guidance,and a clear proof, for all humanity and all times till the Last Day. Otherwise the message is void. Also, the message must be confirming the previous messengers of before. The revelation, guidance, and miracle Muhammad received is the Quran.
“O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), now has our messenger come unto you to make things plain after a break in ( the series of) Messengers, lest you should say: There came not unto us a bringer of glad tidings and a warner. And Allah is able to do all things.(Al-Maidah, 19).
Prophets after prophets came to reclaim lost humanity. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) came with the final Message that perfected Islam. The message contains the teachings of all the previous messengers, and in addition, it contains what must be followed in all aspects of life until the Judgement Day. Prophet Muhammad has been sent for all mankind. Thus there will be no other messenger after him.
“Nothing is said to thee (Muhammad) save what was said unto the messengers before thee.”
(Quran 41:43)
“He is the Messenger of God and the Seal of the Prophets. And God is Aware of all things.”
(Quran 33:40)
Muslims believe in the Absolute Oneness of Allah, who is a Supreme Being free of human limitations, needs and wants. He has no partners in His Divinity. He is the Creator of everything and is completely separate of His creation, and all worship is to be directed to him alone. This was the Message brought by all Prophets of Allah, including Jesus followed by Muhammad, the seal of the Prophets.
Prophet Muhammad emphasized the importance of Jesus by saying:
“Whoever believes there is no God but Allah, alone without partner, that Muhammad is His Messenger, that Jesus is a servant and Messenger of Allah, his word breathed into Mary and a spirit emanating form Him, and that Paradise and Hell are true, shall be received by Allah into Heaven. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol. 4, Hadith No. 64).
According to the early religious scholars from among the companions of the Prophet and their students, there is a rule to distinguish between the two nouns in the genitive construction: 1) when one of the two nouns is Allah and the other is a person or a thing, e.g. Allah’s house; Allah’s Messenger; Allah’s slave; Allah’s spirit; the rule for the above words is that the second noun, e.g. house, Messenger, slave or spirit is created by Allah and is honorable in His Sight. Similarly, Allah’s spirit may be understood as the spirit of Allah, in fact it is a soul created by Allah, i.e. Jesus. And it was His Word: ‘Be!’ – And he was i.e. Jesus was created like Adam.
2) When one of the two nouns is Allah and the second is neither a person nor a thing, then it is not a created thing but is a quality of Allah e.g. Allah’s knowledge; Allah’s life; Allah’s statement, Allah’s self.
No other religion in the world dignifies Jesus as Islam does. The Koran confirms his virgin birth, and Mary is considered to have been one of the purest women in all creation. The Koran describes Jesus’ birth as follows:
“Behold!’ the angel said, Allah has chosen you, and purified you, and chosen you above the women of all nations. Mary, Allah gives you good news of a word from Him, whose name shall be the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, honored in this world and in the Hereafter, and one of those brought near to Allah. He shall speak to the people from his cradle and in maturity, and he shall be of the righteous. She said: ‘My Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me?’ He said: ‘Even so; Allah creates what He will. When He decrees a thing, He says to it, ‘Be!’ and it is.” (Al-Imran 42-47).
“Behold! The angels said, ‘Oh Mary! Allah gives you glad tidings of a Word from Him. His name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honor in this world and the Hereafter, and in (the company) those nearest to Allah. He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity.
He shall be (in the company) of the righteous”and Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel”‘ (Al-Imran 45-48).
The Koran teaches that Jesus was born immaculately, and through the same power which had brought Adam into being without a father or a mother.
“Truly, the likeness of Jesus with Allah is as the likeness of Adam. He created him of dust, and then said to him, ‘Be!’ and he was.” (Al-Imran, 59).
During Jesus Prophetic mission, he performed many miracles.
“I have come to you with a sign from your Lord” I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breath into it and it becomes a bird by Allah’s leave. And I heal the blind, and the lepers, and I raise the dead by Allah’s leave. (Al-Imran, 49).
The Koran tells us that Jesus came to teach the same basic Message which was taught by all previous Prophets who came before him: shun every false god and worship only the one true God, Allah.
“When Jesus came with Clear Signs, he said: ‘Now I have come to you with Wisdom, and in order to make clear to you some of the (points) on which you dispute. Therefore, fear Allah and obey me. Allah, He is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him – this is a straight path.’ But sects from among themselves fell into disagreement. So woe to the wrongdoers, from the penalty of a grievous Day!” (Az-Zukhruf 63-65).
Jesus came to confirm that which was before him of the Torah.
“To attest the Law which was before me, and to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden you; I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so fear Allah and obey me.” (Al-Imran, 50).
Jesus and Muhammad, as well as all other Prophets were sent to confirm the belief in one Lord, Allah. As indicated in the Koran, Jesus said to his people:
“Truly, Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him (alone). This is the straight path.” (Al-Imran, 51).
Jesus never claimed any qualities of divinity, nor did he claim that he deserved to be worshipped. He did not say that he was the son of Allah (God) or part of the trinity, but rather that he was only the servant of Allah sent to the Jews to bring them back to the Law, the true religion of Moses, which instructed people to worship only the one God and follow His instructions. Allah says in the Koran:
“He (Jesus) said: ‘I am indeed a servant of Allah. He has given me revelation and made me a Prophet; He had made me blessed wheresoever I be; and He has enjoined on me prayer and charity as long as I live. He has made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable. So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)!’ Such was Jesus the son of Mary. It is a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute. It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! When He determines a matter, He only says to it, ‘Be’ and it is.” (Maryam 30-35).
The Koran states that Jesus was only taken as an object of worship as a result of lies which people invented against him. Allah narrates of Jesus in the Koran:
“They are unbelievers who say, ‘Allah is the Messiah, Mary’s son.’
For the Messiah said, ‘Children of Israel, serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Verily whoso associates with Allah anything, Allah shall prohibit him entrance to Paradise, and his refuge shall be the Fire; and wrongdoers shall have no helpers.’ (Al-Maidah, 72).
In this connection, the Prophet of Islam said, “Whoever dies while still invoking anything other than Allah as a rival to Allah, will enter Hell.” (Sahih Al-Bukhari, vol. 6, Hadith No. 24).
Allah says about the doctrine of ‘trinity’:
They are unbelievers who say, ‘Allah is the third of three.’ No God is there but one God.
If they refrain not from what they say, there shall afflict those of them that disbelieve a painful chastisement.
Will they not turn to Allah and pray His forgiveness?
Allah is all-Forgiving, all-Compassionate.
The Messiah son of Mary was only a Messenger; Messengers before him passed away; his mother was a just woman; they both ate food. Behold, how We make clear the signs to them; then behold, how they perverted are! (Al-Maidah, 73-75).
In the Koran Allah warned the people of the Book (Christians) not to carry their religious beliefs to excess and beyond the truth, nor should they relate to Allah but the truth. Jesus the son of Mary, the Apostle of Allah, is simply His Word to Mary and a Spirit that proceeded from Him and was conveyed to Mary by the Spirit Gabriel. Therefore the Christians had better believe in Allah and acknowledge His Apostles and stop saying ‘Allah in Trinity’; this is only to their benefit. Allah is only and absolutely One, glory be to Him and extolled are His glorious attributes; far be he beyond comprehension; His Omnipotence precludes begetting a son, when all that is in the heavens and all that is on earth belong to Him, and Allah is all-Sufficient as a disposer of affairs. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, shall not turn indignant for being a servant of Allah nor shall the angels nearest to Allah, and he whosoever disdains to serve Allah must realize that all people shall be thronged to his august presence in the Day of Judgment.
People of the Book (Christians), go not beyond the bounds in your religion, and say not as to Allah but the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was only the Messenger of Allah, and His word that He committed to Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His Messengers, and say not ‘Three.’ Refrain, better it is for you. Allah is only one God. Glory be to Him – that He should have a son! To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and in the earth, Allah suffices for a guardian (Al-Maidah, 171).
The Messiah will not disdain to be a servant of Allah, neither the angels who are near stationed to Him.
Whosoever disdains to serve Him, and waxes proud, he will assuredly muster them to Him, all of them (An-Nisa, 172).
It is not in reason or in the nature of things that Jesus as Allah’s Messenger should preach against Allah and claims that he is Allah or the son of Allah. Jesus came to preach and convey the true Message of Allah. Jesus was a Prophet, and the Holy Spirit with which he was strengthened was the angel Gabriel who brought the Gospel to him.
The Koran teaches:
It belongs not to any mortal that Allah should give him the Book, the judgment, the Prophet Hood, then he should say to men, ‘Be you servants to me apart from Allah.’ Rather, ‘Be you masters in that you know the book and in that you study.’
He would never order you to take the angels and the Prophets as Lords; what, would He order you to disbelieve, after you have surrendered? (Al-Imran 79, 80).
As mentioned earlier, the Koran clearly states that infidels indeed are those who declare that Allah is the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary. Allah commanded Muhammad to say to them, ‘Who then can restrain Allah in any way, if He willed to destroy the Messiah, the son of Mary, his mother and all that is on the earth! To Allah alone, belong all that is in the heavens and all that is on earth and all that lies in between, He creates and brings into being whom and whatever He will; He is indeed Omnipotent.
Allah says in His last Revelation:
They are unbelievers who say, ‘Allah is the Messiah, Mary’s son.’
Say: ‘Who then shall overrule Allah in any way if He desires to destroy the Messiah, Mary’s son, and his mother, and all those who are on earth?’
For to Allah belongs the kingdom of the heavens and of the earth, and all that is between them, creating what He will. Allah is powerful over everything (Al-Maidah, 17).
The Koran also stated that, wrapped in their imagination, the Jews and the Christians say, ‘We are the sons of Allah and His beloved.’ Allah commanded Muhammad to say to them, ‘Why then He punish you and afflict you with pain and suffering in requital for your evil deeds! Indeed but you are creatures who constitute a part of those He brought into being and caused to exist. He forgives whom He will and to Allah and to Him alone belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is on earth and all that lies between them, and to Him is the end and the purpose for which all are destined.
Say the Jews and the Christians, ‘We are the sons of Allah, and His beloved ones.’
Say: ‘why then does He chastise you for your sins?
No; you are mortals of His creating; He forgives whom He will, and chastises whom He will.’
For to Allah belongs the kingdom of the heavens and of the earth, and all that is between them; to Him is the homecoming (Al-Maidah, 18).
This refrain in the last verse negates the idea of sonship and the idea of an exclusive ‘Beloved’. In both cases it means that Allah is independent of physical relationships or exclusive partiality.
The Jews, Christians and pagans said that Allah has begotten a son. According to the Koran, this kind of belief is a grievous sin in the sight of Allah.
That is Jesus, son of Mary, in word of truth, concerning which they are doubting. It is not for Allah to take a son unto Him. Glory be to Him! When He decrees a thing, He but says to it “Be”, and it is. (Maryam 34, 35).
And they say, ‘The all-Merciful has taken unto himself a son.’ You have indeed advanced something hideous. The heavens are well nigh rent of it and the earth split asunder, and the mountains well nigh fall down crashing for that they have attributed to the all-Merciful to take a son. None is there in the heavens and earth but he comes to the all-Merciful as a servant (Maryam 88-93).
Allah ordered His prophet Muhammad to say to those who believe in the son ship of Jesus that He is infinitely Independent and Absolute. Allah further commanded His Prophet to ask them if they have proof to evidence their false allegation! Do they relate to Allah what they do not know or are able to prove! The Prophet was commanded to say to them, ‘Those who invent a lie against Allah shall never prosper.’ A little enjoyment in this world then to Allah will be their return, and then shall He make them taste the severest penalty for their blasphemies.
They say, ‘Allah has taken to him a son.’ Glory be to Him! He is all-Sufficient; to Him belongs all that is in the heavens and in the earth; you have no authority for this. What, do you say concerning Allah that you know not?
Say: ‘Those who forge against Allah falsehood shall not prosper.’
Some enjoyment in this world; then unto Us they shall return; then We shall let them taste the terrible chastisement, for that they were unbelievers (Yunus, 68-70).
The Prophet Muhammad said, “Allah said, ‘The son of Adam tells lies against Me though He has no right to do so, and he abuses Me though he has no right to do so. As for his telling lies against Me, he claims that I cannot re-create him as I created him before; and as for his abusing Me, it is his statement that I have a son. No! Glorified is me! I am far from taking a wife or a son. (Sahih Al-bukhari, Vol. 6, Hadith No. 9).
Allah commanded Muhammad to say to the Jews and Christians that if they had believed in Muhammad and warded off evil (sins, ascribing partners to Allah) and had become pious, Allah would indeed have expiated from them their sins and admitted them to gardens of pleasure in paradise. And if only they had acted according to the Torah, the Gospel, and what has now been sent down to them from their Lord (the Koran), they would surely have gotten provision from above them and from underneath their feet. There are from among them people who are on the right path ( Abdullah ibn Salam, the pontiff and leader of the Jews who embraced Islam at the time of the Prophet) but many of them do evil deeds. Allah also warned the Prophet that the Koran as the last divine revelation to mankind will increase in most of the Jews and the Christians their obstinate rebellion and disbelief. So he must not be sorrowful over the people who disbelieve.
But had the people of the Book believe and been god-fearing, we would have acquitted them of their evil deeds, and admitted them to Gardens of bliss.
Had they performed the Torah and the Gospel, and what was sent down to them from their Lord (the Koran), they would have eaten both what was above them, and what was beneath their feet. Some of them are a just nation; but many of them evil are the things they do.
Say: “People of the Book, you do not stand on anything, until you perform the Torah and the Gospel, and what has been sent down to you from your Lord.” (the Koran), and what was sent down from your Lord will surely increase many of them in insolence and unbelief; so grieve not for the people of the unbelievers (Al-Maidah 65, 66, 68).
At the time of Muhammad there were sincere Christians that appreciated Muslim virtues, as did the Abyssinians to Whom Muslim refugees went during the persecution in Makkah. Allah informed Muhammad that he will find the Jews the strongest in enmity to the Muslims and also those who incorporate with Allah other deities. And he will find that the nearest among them in love to the Muslims those who declare that they are Christians. This is because among them there are priests and monks who fear Allah, and they are not arrogant. And when they listen to the Koran they are excited to tears at the truth which they recognize and they say: ‘O Allah, our Creator, we have recognized the truth, our Lord we believe; write us down among the witnesses. And why we do not recognize Allah with all our hearts and give credence to the truth which we have received, when we do hope that Allah would admit us to the company of the righteous. In response to their recognition of the truth, Allah shall grace them with a distinguished reward. They shall be admitted to gardens beneath which rivers flow wherein they will live forever – whereas those who rejected Allah’s faith and belied His Signs shall be companions of Hell-fire.
Thou wilt surely find the most hostile of men to the believers are the Jews and the idolaters; and thou wilt surely find the nearest of them in love to the believers are those who say, ‘We are Christians’; that, because some of them are priests and monks, and they wax no proud, and when they hear what was sent down to the Messenger, thou seest their eyes overflow with tears because of the truth they recognize. They say, ‘Our Lord, we believe, so do Thou write us down among the witnesses.
Why should we not believe in Allah and in the truth that has come to us, (Islamic Monotheism).
And we wish that our Lord will admit us along with the righteous people (Prophet Muhammad and his companions).
And Allah rewards them for what they say with gardens underneath which rivers flow, therein dwelling forever; that is the recompense of the good-doers.
But those who disbelieve, and cry lies to our signs – they are the inhabitants of Hell (Al-Maidah 82-86).
In the Koran a scene of the Day of Reckoning is put before us showing the responsibility and the limitations of all the Prophets of Allah sent to preach His Message to men, with special reference to the Message of Jesus. On that Day Allah will gather all the Prophets and ask them about the response they got from the people to whom they were sent, and they will say: ‘Glory be to You, but you are the Omniscient of all that is unknown and of all that is invisible, to mankind, and of all their private thoughts and feelings.’
Allah gives us a glimpse of what will be spoken by Jesus on the Day of Judgment in defense of himself and proclaiming his innocence from the unjustified claims of those who ascribed to him abominable lies.
In a solemn scene before the Court of Judgment, Allah shall address Jesus before his people, thus: ‘Do you remember O Jesus My divine favor on your mother; how I supported you with the Holy Spirit so that you spoke to people while you were an infant in the cradle and then in manhood. And I taught you the Book and wisdom. The Torah and the Gospel, and enabled you to make out of clay the figure of a living bird by My leave, and made you restore the sight of the congenitally blind and heal the leper by My leave, and with my delegated authority raise the dead by My leave. And do you remember how I held back the Children of Israel from you when they resolved to kill you as you came to them with divine and clear revelations, but the infidels among them said, ‘This is nothing but evident magic!’ And do you remember how I inspired the disciples to have faith in Me and acknowledging your Apostleship and how they responded favorably and conformed their will to My Will and bowed to Me as Muslims.
“And behold!” Allah will say in the Court of Judgment: “Did you Jesus, the son of Mary, ask the people to take you and your mother as two gods besides Allah and pay you the same tribute that is dutiful only to Me!”
Jesus will say, “Glory be to you, and extolled are Your glorious attributes; never could I say what I had no right to say, if I have uttered it, You would have known it, You can read my thoughts whereas I cannot possibly read Your thoughts; You are the Omniscient of all that is unknown. I never said to them but what You had commanded me to say: ‘to worship Allah my Lord and your Lord’, and I was a witness over them as long as I lived among them, and when you ordained that I depart life, you were the Watcher over them, You are the Witness of all things in all respects. If you punish them, they are Your servants, and if You forgive them, You are the Exalted in power, the Wise.”
There and then says Allah, “This is a Day on which the truthful will profit from their truth; theirs are Gardens under which rivers flow – they shall abide therein forever. Allah is pleased with them and they with Him. That is the great success (29).
The Koran says in this respect:
The Day when Allah shall gather the Messengers and say,’ What answer were you given?’ They shall say, ‘We have no knowledge; Thou art the Knower of the things unseen.’
When Allah said, ‘Jesus son of maryam (Mary), remember My blessing upon thee and upon thy mother, when I confirmed thee with the holy spirit, to speak to men in the cradle, and of age; and when I taught thee the Book, the wisdom, the Torah, the Gospel; and when thou creatist out of clay, by My leave, as the likeness of a bird, and thou breathest into it, and it is a bird, by My leave; and thou healest the blind and the leper by My leave, and thou bringest the dead forth by My leave; and when I restrained from thee the Children of Israel when thou camest unto them with the clear signs, and the unbelievers among them said, ‘This is nothing but socery manifest.’
And when I inspired the disciples: ‘Believe in Me and My Messenger (Jesus)’; they said, ‘We believe; witness thou our submission.'”
And when Allah said, “O Jesus son of Maryam, did you say unto men, ‘Take me and my mother as gods apart from Allah?”
He (Jesus) said, ‘Glory is to You! It is not mine to say what I have no right to. If I indeed said it You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner self though I do not know what is in yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-knower of the unseen. I only said to them what you did command me to say: “Serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them, while I remained among them; but when you took me up, You were the watcher over them; and You are a witness to all things. If you chastisest them, they are your servants; and if You forgive them, You are the All-Mighty, the All Wise.’
Allah said, ‘This is the day the truthful shall be profited by their truthfulness. For them await gardens underneath which rivers flow, therein dwelling forever and ever, Allah being well-pleased with them and they well-pleased with Him; that is the mighty triumph.’ (Al-Maidah 109-111, 116-119).
It should be pointed out that the words” by My leave” are repeated with each miracle to emphasize the fact that they arose, not out of the power or will of Jesus, but by the leave and will and power of Allah, who is supreme over Jesus as He is over all other mortals (29).
Allah clarified in the Koran that Jesus was not crucified; rather, it was made to seem that way to the Jews, and that Allah raised him to the Heavens. It was the plan of Jesus’ enemies to crucify him, but Allah saved him and raised him up to Him. The likeness of Jesus was put over another man. Jesus’ enemies took this man and crucified him, thinking that he was Jesus.
Allah says:
“And when Allah said: ‘O Jesus! I will take you and lift you up to Me, and purify you of those who disbelieve, and will make those who followed you above those who disbelieved until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me shall you all return, and I shall judge between you in that which you dispute'” (Al-Imran 54 ,55).
“And for their saying (in boast) (the Jews): ‘We killed Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah’; but they killed him not nor crucified him. Only a likeness of that was shown to them. And those who differ therein are full of doubt with no certain knowledge, but only follow mere conjecture, for a surety they killed him not. But Allah lifted him up to Him, and Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise. And there is none of the people of the Book, but will believe in him before his death, and on the Day of Judgment, he will be a witness against them.” (An-Nissa 157-159).
These verses tell us that Jesus was lifted up to the heaven and was not crucified. His opponents from Jews misled the king of that time, as they wanted to slay Jesus and crucify him. The Koran does not explain, though, who was the person crucified instead of Jesus.
One of the fundamental beliefs of Christianity is that Jesus died on the cross as a sacrifice for our sins. The Bible on the other hand refutes this belief. Based on the verses of the Bible, Peter and the two sons of Zebedee were with Jesus before the chief priests came to take him for crucifixion. Jesus at this point talked to Peter and the two sons of Zebedee as in Matthew 26: 38, “Then saith he unto them, ‘my soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me’. Then Jesus went a little further way from them and prayed to Allah as in Mathew 26: 39. And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed saying, ‘O my father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.’
It is clear from the above verse in Matthew 26: 39 that Jesus had no intension of dying. After Jesus made the above mentioned prayer he was answered by Allah according to the Hebrews 5: 7. “Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared.” This clearly shows that when Jesus was praying strongly to Allah, Allah granted him what he requested and saved him from crucifixion.
According to the Christian doctrine, Jesus died on the cross as a sacrifice for our sins. A question here arises: why anyone has to die for our sins when Allah is the All-Merciful and could easily grant forgiveness if we ask for it?
According to the Bible the way of redemption could be obtained without the need for sacrifice. The Bible says:
Ezekiel 18: 20 “The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father; neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.”
Ezekiel 18: 21 “But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.”
It is clear then that no one shall bear the sins of others, so Jesus cannot bear the sins of others either. If one is righteous then it shall be upon him, and if one commits a sin then it shall be upon him, and not on Jesus. Therefore, the way to repentance and forgiveness is by turning from all sins, doing what is right, and keeping the commandments.
The same system of repentance was also given by Solomon. He says in the book of Ecclesiastes 12: 13 “Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear Allah, and keep His commandments for these are the whole duty of man.”
In 2 chronicles 7: 14 “If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.”
Finally the bible says in Samuel 15: 22 “And Samuel said, Hath the Lord a great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.”
This clearly states that obeying Allah is better than sacrifice. What Allah likes is for us to obey Him. It is not of Him at all to come later and change His mind, and change his ways.
Also, Islam stresses the notion that Allah is able to and forgives all sins, if a person truly repents and then refrains from repeating it. Allah does not need any blood sacrifice for that, let alone descend in the form of man himself and die for every man’s sins. Rather, Allah’s mercy extends to all creatures, believers, and disbelievers alike. The door to forgiveness is open to anyone who seeks it.
As such, Islam denies that Jesus came to this earth with the purpose of sacrificing himself for the sin of Adam, Eve, and the rest of humanity, freeing them from their sins. Islam strictly rejects the notion that any person bears the sin of another. Allah says:
“No bearer of burdens shall bear the burden of another.” (Az-Zumar, 7).
As seen from the above mentioned Koranic verses, Allah confirmed that Jesus was not crucified, though, it was made to seem that way to the Jews. Allah says:
“They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but (another) was made to resemble him to them” (An-Nisa, 157).
“Allah lifted him up to His presence. Allah is Almighty, All-wise.” (An-Nisa, 158).
As mentioned above, the Koranic verses confirmed the lifting up of Jesus to Allah, but still, this ascendance was not mentioned in detail.
Maus
Mohsen,
Sorry if this response rambles a bit. I’ve been trying to follow this conversation over the last couple of days and I have quite a few opinions about what has been said, especially lately.
How can you claim and assume that “The majority of these criminals are Christians of course.”? Are these people murdering people or committing other crimes while saying “Jesus is Lord”? Are they truly practicing what Jesus taught and the lessons of the Bible? I believe the answer is a concrete “NO”.
There are many people in both religions that claim to be of that religion but do not actually practice the faith as it should be practiced. I might label these people “non-practicing Muslims/Christians/etc”. There are many that say they are Christian that do not practice the teachings of Jesus, just as I know there are Muslims that say they are followers of the Islamic religion but do not really practice all of the teachings. Followers in name only.
For example, I know of a Muslim family where the wife does not cover herself as those from an Orthodox Muslim family would. She maintains many friends that say they are Christian even though, through my understanding, she should not (5:51). She is very outgoing and might be considered very opposite to those Muslim women I see on the news. I might consider that family to be Muslim but maybe not a practicing Orthodox Muslim family as I understand it.
I can understand how hard it would be to decode the Islamic teachings because without investigating the life and sayings of Mohammad, you cannot truly understand the Koran and the order in which to read the chapters or how to interact with fellow Muslims or non-Muslims. You cannot understand the details of how to live your life without first learning how Mohammad conducted his life. It could be in my flawed understanding of the Koran that those details are not present in that book. Please excuse me if that is the case since I am just starting my journey into comparing Islam and Christianity. In order to understand Islam, you must study the Koran and its decoding key, the Hadith.
As a counterpoint to that, Christians only have to look to the Holy Bible to learn how to live and about God and his plan for us. I find that it’s far easier to be involved in the learning and understanding of the Christian faith because the Holy Bible is ordered in a chronological fashion and the books of the Bible were written by numerous authors with differing viewpoints in history inspired by the Word of God.
Don’t get me wrong. I made a pledge to myself to understand the teaching of Islam to understand why some things are happening in the world. But I can’t agree with your statement that the majority of American criminals are true Christians.
Let me explore my concerns a little more with why I am at this website.
I have trouble understanding how differently Christians and Muslims can react to book burnings. I know this is a very touchy subject lately, sorry if this offends anyone. Muslims and others can burn hundreds of Bibles and while it offends Christians, those same Christians do not form mobs and kill Muslims and burn down their homes and mosques. Jesus said in Matthew 5:39, “But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also” (NIV) This tells me not to perform revenge on those that insult me and do me wrong. Rather than revenge, I am to suffer patiently the same insult and injury. Love forgives those that do you wrong. Jesus said to the love of God with your entire heart, soul and mind was the greatest commandment (Matt 22:37-40) and that the next one was to love your neighbor. That’s what I would understand to be a religion of peace.
From my observations with the news, this is not the case in Islam. I don’t believe the Koran has a “love your neighbor” verse that is a strong verse. I don’t believe Mohammad said anything like it either. I read every week that Muslims in multiple countries kill Christians and burn down their homes and Churches, chop off ears of pasters and more. Destroyed churches are being refused repair or reconstruction in majority Islamic nations do to Sharia Law. This happens all over the world from Africa, Indonesia, Pakastan and the Middle East to just the rumor of a Koran burning. That’s what I don’t understand. How come there are extremely few Muslims that disagree with this behavior? I think it stems with the descriptions of non-Muslims in the Koran.
Just a quick search tells me that according to the Koran:
– I am a “loser” (2:121) (5:53)
– “deaf, dumb and blind” (2:171)
– an “evil-liver” (3:110) (5:59)
– that I “hate you and will ruin you (Muslims)” (3:118)
– an “open enemy” (4:101)
– “wrong doers” (5:45)
– ignorant (6:111)
– evil (too many to put here)
There are many more in the Koran. Shockingly many. Like I said, I just did a quick search and came up with those examples from the first few chapters and the list is not complete. I plan on reading the context of those quotes to see if there is any other meaning to the verses and just this search is opening my eyes.
From my novice understanding of the Koran, it looks to me that it teaches that all non-Muslims are the worst of people and can be tread upon in any way including violence. How can that be understood any other way with the impressive number of negative remarks about non-Muslims? To make matters worse, I see open-ended calls to violence agains non-Muslims. I don’t think I really need to provide examples since I think it was posted in a previous post and not denied.
That’s where I am right now. Trying to find out if the violence against Christians by Muslims is only being performed by “radicals” or if it is a teaching of Islam as a whole. The more I write in this response, the more I believe it’s the latter. That is where my journey is taking me and I find it strengthing my faith and belief in Christianity and the God of the Holy Bible.
Although your responses were very well written, the statements you are making contradict what I see practiced in the vocal name of Allah every day in the news. I will grant you that there are some very misguided Christians out there but I do not see the shear numbers I see in the Muslim community that promote acts of violence and harm. You defended the Koran very well, but you did not convince me that you disagree with the violence Christians face today based on the Koran and Hadith. Does the cutting off of an ear justify the attempt to educate others about Christianity where you are attempting the same thing in this forum about Islam? Although there has been some heated words between you and Steve, I did not see you justifying any misconceptions against the violent verses in the Koran that were brought up. That is what I came to find in this discussion.
I truly wish I was more educated to provide a more worthy debate on the subject. Maybe someone else can debate the specifics of the Holy Bible verses verse the Koran verses but I feel I am not qualified.
Maus
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
Steve
Steve, spare me your ignorance, hatred, and foolishness. I don’t preach, you fool, I just state facts. It is evident that you are shallow and incognizant. I don’t want to degrade myself further by talking to an incompetent ignorant parrot like you.
Don’t answer back because I will not respond.
Steve
Amin Al-Husseini spends WWII in Germany at Hitler’s side. He establishes Muslim Nazi troops and becomes heavily involved in the genocide of Jews, Gypsies and Serbs. (See Husseini section).
Husseini calls Nazi Muslim troops “the Cream of Islam”.
Amin Al-Husseini providing safe haven to ex-Nazis in Arab lands. He is the main connection with Francois Genoud, Swiss banker of Third Reich, who finances the ODESSA network with money stolen from murdered European Jews
Egyptian-born Yasser Arafat becomes member of the Muslim Brotherhood. He works directly under Amin Al-Husseini since age 17. Arafat is placed in charge of terrorist group “The Holy Strugglers” responsible for disrupting the peace in Palestine.
Steve
Completely and deliberately didn’t respond to the hate, murder rape, and human pain subjected to this world by Muslims. Instead you go off again preaching.
Don’t you get it. You can never be considered serious when you continually avoid the issue with deflection.
Islam is violent. Always was always will be. Islam is devious. Always was always will be.
We get you. so until you begin to explain why Islam is so violent your just another lying Jhidaist hiding behind a Dr. title.
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
Steve says, “I understand Islam very well”. No Steve, you and your like don’t understand Islam at all. In order to understand Islam you have to live the religion completely all your life. You have to feel its purity and cleanliness by abiding to its tenets and principles. You have to struggle to guard your soul from the temptations of life. You have to feel the spiritual blessing when Allah endows His loyal servants with the qualities He wanted them to possess. You have to feel the beauty of total submission to His Will. You must feel the greatness and magnificence of worshipping alone, the One and the Only God, Allah, the Creator, the King, the All-Holy, the All-Sublime. You must believe in his Unity, in his Oneness, and worship Him alone without associating with Him any partners. You must believe in the Day of Judgment and realize in every instant in your life that you are leaving to meet your Lord. You will leave behind all that you possessed in this life. You will stand before Him naked to receive your acoounting.
Bearing this in mind, now move in life seeking Allah’s pleasure by doing what he ordered you to do, and by abstaining from what He prohibited you to do. Now you have become a divine slave, when you ask your Lord He responds, when you seek protection He protects you, You walk with your feet on earth but your heart is attached to your Lord in Heaven.
Do you still insist that you know Islam very well? O, no, you are still far away, you defy your Lord, you bely His last Testament to the world, your slander His seal of the Prophets, you are still, very much, a man astray.
In order to convince me that Islam is an evil religion, you bombarded me with a volley of incidents showing that Muslims are satans and devils, they were created only to kill, rape and destroy…bla bla bla.
To tell you the truth Steve, I only read the first few lines, then I stopped. There is no need to continue. This is not the scientific approach to discuss religion or any other scientific subject. It is not scientifically correct to judge religion by the actions of its adherents. And you remember from our previous hot discussions when you forwarded me with Koranic verses talking about war in Islam in order to convince me that Islam is an evil religion. You took the verses out of their context, thus neglecting the fact that after 11 years of continous persecution Allah ordered the Prophet to fight back. The whole of pagan Quraish that came after the Prophet to wipe him out of the surface of the earth had 1000 well armed warriors and hundreds of camels and horses.. The Prophet however, had only 300 poor and weak companions and only one horse. It was impossible to win, but the Lord promised him divine help and victory. The Prophet fought back and won, and it was the firstr time that Islam gained power.
You hid all this Steve and talked only about the verses indicating war, therefore Islam is evil and agressive! By this you misguided your readers as all haters of Islam always do.
In order to show you that your approach is misguiding and wrong I had to cope with you. I proved to you that Christianity produced since its initiation and until now more than 400 million deaths to its followers and to Europeans in general. Let alone the persecution Muslims received from christianity over the centuries (go back to my article about this in political Islam).
Also, remember Steve, that in political Islam, I also quoted some verses from the Old and New Testaments indicating killing, murder, racism, rape etc. I was just trying to cope with you in order to show you that your attitude in judging the religion of Islam by forwarding some verses indicating war or something evil is false and not scientific.
Do I say that Christianity is an evil religion because of the evil and criminal actions of its adherents? Do I say that Christianity is an evil religion because of the verses I quoted from the Bible and Gospel talking about murder, killing and rape? The answer is certainly “no”.
Again Steve, according to the Disaster Center – United States: Uniform Crime Report – State Statistics from 1960 – 2009, crime in the United States accounts for more death, injuries and loss of property than all natural disasters conbined. Approximately 13 million people (5% of the US population) are victims of crime every year.
Compared with other countries, the Unitesd States has the highest incarceration rate in the world. As of 2006, seven million people were behind bars. According to Washington Post, February 29, 2008, more than one in hundred adults in the United States is in jail or prison, an all-time high that is costing state governments nearly $50 billion a year and the federal government $5 billion more.
The majority of these criminals are Christians of course. Do I claim that Christianity is an evil religion because of the evil actions of such criminal Christians? Of course not.
So please Steve, do not use this pathetic and void approach with me because it will not work. Do not bombard me with incidents of transgressions made by Muslims living a tribal life in an underdeveloped world. Their transgression has nothing to do with the Koran. The Koran hasn’t ordered them to kill and rape. If they don’t repent and return to the right path again, so they are sinners deserving punishment here and Hereafter.
If you have certain Koranic verses you do do not understand, just mention them to me and I will explain them to you. So are the sayings of the Prophet.
Now let us not deviate from the main issue.The Koran is your Book as well as mine. You must honor it and not to bely it. The Koran is a universal Book, it came to the Pagan Arabs and to the Jews and the Christians. The Koran came to the Christians to tell them that Allah is one and not three. Jesus is not God or son of God, but just a noble Prophet who came the the lost sheep of the Children of Israel to tell them to worship Allah, the One and Only true God. The Koran refuted completely the doctrine of Trinity, vicarious atonement and Jesus crucifixion. The Koran came to say to the Christians that Allah forgives all sins except associating in worship with Him any partners (son, idol, priest, king etc).
Christians attacking Islam look rediculous to me.They attack the religion that came to warn them of a severe torment if they don’t revert present Christianity from trinitariarism to pure Islamic monotheism. But they don’t listen, they would rather prefer to attack the only complete and guarded religion that nowaday exist.
In my several articles in political Islam, I warned and explained, and forwarded Koranic verses indicating such severe warning, but who hears and listens to the divine warning.
Steve says I am a hater of Christianity! How come and the Koran honored Jesus and His mother. On the contrary, I love Christianity but the way it was mentioned in the Koran – pure monotheism.
Steve claims that he attacks me so viciously because I am a vengeful man. It was not I who established political Islam to slander the Prophet of Islam, bely the Koran and accuse Allah as a moon God. It was not I who launched all these lies against Muslims and their religion. As you gave yourself the right to attack the Last of religions and the seal of the Prophets and Allah the Creator of the universe, I give myself the liberty to explain, warn and defend my religion.
My attitude in defending my religion lies within the fact that first I explain the religion, then I show the consequences. It is not the right of any man to attack the last divine revelation sent to mankind, or slander Muhammad the best of creation, or mocking at Allah by describing Him as the moon God etc. If they gave themselves the right to do so, then they must know the terrible consequences awaiting them. Every word uttered in vain has a price. The harvest of our tongues may take us to Heaven or to Hell. Everything is recorded, whether published or concealed. Allah knows everything, He is the All-Knower, the All-Wise.
They don’t know how to be neutral, they look at Islam from their Christian perspective, a matter that always take them to error.They don’t understand that Muhammad came after Jesus. Religion didn’t stop at Jesus, but it continued to Muhammad. The ministry of Jesus only stayed for 1,3-3 years, while that of Muhammad lasted for 23 years. Jesus came to a small group of people, while Muhammad came to all humanity, his task was to establish the kingdom of Allah on earth. He had to preach, fight, and act as a last warner to the world – Allah is One and worship Him alone without associating with Him son or partners.
The enemies of Islam follow nothing but conjecture. In vain do they waste their days. Thus it was made fair-seeming to them the evil they have done.
Who is more unjust than one who invents a lie against Allah or reject His signs? Those who reject Allah’s signs and treat them with arrogance, they are companions of the Fire to dwell therein for ever.
As we read in the Koran:
And those that cry lies to Our signs, and wax proud against them, shall be the inhabitants of the Fire, therein dwelling forever (Al-A’raf, 36).
Steve
I understand Islam Very well!
Bangladeshi 14-year old girl raped by cousin, charged under sharia, lashed to death.
17,000 Islamic terrorist attacks since 9/11
Facebook finally drops “Intifada” page for promoting violence — after 350,000 sign up
Pakistan: Two more Christians killed, churches burned as Muslims respond to Florida Qur’an burning
Pakistan: Another church burned, Florida Qur’an burning touted as excuse
Afghanistan: Misunderstanders of Islam murder 20 construction workers with jihad-martyrdom suicide bombings
OIC to convey strong condemnation of Qur’an-burning to UN Secretary General, demand UN action against free speech
Gunmen kill 56 in grisly Iraq hostage siege
Third Pakistani Church Attacked over Florida Quran Burning…
Somali Pirates Offer to Release Danish Hostage for ‘Hand’ of 13-Year-Old Daughter…
78% of UK Muslims Want Limits on Free Speech…
Syria Tortures Schoolchildren for Writing on Walls…
CAIR’s Doctoring of OC Video Exposed by ‘Daylight’…
Gang-Rape Victims Arrested as She Tries to Tell the World…
Mob Cuts Off Christian Man’s Ear…
Five Iranian Christians to Stand Trial for Blasphemy…
Christian Given Year in Prison for Evangelism…
Bomb Attack on Jerusalem Bus Station – 1 Dead…
Sweden to Deport Honor Killer – Stabbed Daughter 53 Times…
Israel Forced to Close Schools Under Hamas Rocket Fire…
Iran Calls for Suicide Bombings Against Saudi Interests…
Nigerian Churches Bombed, Survivors Pelted with Rocks…
Islamists Force Children into the Line of Fire…
Seven Turkish Officers Jailed over Christian Throat-Slittings…
Ethiopia: 69 Churches Torched, 7,000 Christians Displaced…
50 Rockets Launched into Israel from Gaza – 8 Injured…
Bosnian Carved Crosses into Heads of Serb Prisoners…
Christian Woman Chained to a Tree Following Gang Rape…
Car Bombers Take Out a Mother and Newborn Baby…
At least seven innocents are torn to shreds by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
Terrorists attack a family home, killing two brothers.
– al-Qaeda radicals blow up an ammunitions factory, killing over one-hundred and fifty people, including women and children.
Weekly Jihad Report
Mar. 19 – Mar. 25
Jihad Attacks: 31
Dead Bodies: 101
Critically Injured: 115
Monthly Jihad Report
February, 2011
Jihad Attacks: 134
Countries: 20
Religions: 5
Dead Bodies: 565
Critically Injured: 1058
More people are killed by Islamists each year than in all 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition combined
More civilians were killed by Muslim extremists in two hours on September 11th than in the 36 years of sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland
Islamic terrorists murder more people every day than the Ku Klux Klan has in the last 50 years.
19 Muslim hijackers killed more innocents in two hours on September 11th than the number of American criminals executed in the last 65 years
“The spread of Islam was military. There is a tendency to
apologize for this and we should not. It is one of the
injunctions of the Qur’an that you must fight to spread Islam.”
Dr. Ali Issa Othman, Islamic Scholar
Hitler’s vision of ethnic cleansing of non-Aryans becomes appealing to the Wahhabis of the Muslim Brotherhood [vii] . The West and the Jews is the common enemy. Muslim Brotherhood acquires Hitler’s methods of genocide to rid the Arab world of its non-Muslims
Amin Al-Husseini spends WWII in Germany at Hitler’s side. He establishes Muslim Nazi troops and becomes heavily involved in the genocide of Jews, Gypsies and Serbs. (See Husseini section).
Husseini calls Nazi Muslim troops “the Cream of Islam”.
Amin Al-Husseini providing safe haven to ex-Nazis in Arab lands. He is the main connection with Francois Genoud, Swiss banker of Third Reich, who finances the ODESSA network with money stolen from murdered European Jews
Egyptian-born Yasser Arafat becomes member of the Muslim Brotherhood. He works directly under Amin Al-Husseini since age 17. Arafat is placed in charge of terrorist group “The Holy Strugglers” responsible for disrupting the peace in Palestine.
Arab League declares all wars against the Jewish state.
1948 Israel War of Independence. Husseini, President of Arab League:
“I declare a Holy War, My Muslim Brothers! Murder the Jews!”
*”I swear by Allah that war is deception,”…”We are fighting our enemy with a kind heart … Deceive, camouflage, pretend that you’re leaving while you’re walking
that way. Deceive your enemy
*”In my opinion, we must form a new organization for activism which will be neutral because we are placed in a corner, we are place in a corner. It is known who we are,
we are marked and I believe that there should be a new neutral organization which works on both sides
Omar Ahmad
Co-Founder of the Council on American-Islamic Relations
President and CEO of Silicon Expert Technologies.
Former Islamic Association for Palestine (IAP) Officer.
Omar Ahmad was captured on FBI surveillance tapes at Hamas meetings in the U.S.A. during 1993 explaining that the IAP could not, for political reasons, admit its support for Hamas, and then
discussing how the Hamas agenda could be cloaked and advanced. Omar Ahmad’s airfare
and hotel bills for this meeting were paid for by the Holy Land Foundation
“Those who stay in America should be open to society without melting, keeping Mosques open so anyone can come and learn about Islam. If you choose to live here, you have a responsibility to deliver the message of Islam … Islam isn’t in America to be equal to
any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book
of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the
only accepted religion on Earth.”
“Fighting for freedom, fighting for Islam, that is not suicide,” …
“They kill themselves for Islam.”
(Ahmad Praising Suicide Bombers)
Nihad Awad
Co-Founder and CAIR Executive Director
Former Public Relations Director for the Islamic Association for Palestine (IAP)
A Palestinian born in Jordan and now a U.S. citizen.
Identified participating at a 1993 Hamas meeting in the United States
“I am in support of the Hamas movement.”
“We do not and will not condemn any liberation movement
inside Palestine or Lebanon”
“We Should Not Blame The United States Alone For The 11 September 2001 Attacks”
“Our administration has the burden of proving otherwise.”
(Awad’s response to muslim accusations that federal raids
were a War against Islam and Muslims)
“Address people according to their minds. When I speak with the American,
I speak with someone who doesn’t know anything.”
“If you love Israel, you’re OK … If that is the litmus test, no American Muslim
and no freedom-loving person is going to pass that test.”
Mousa Abu Marzook
Islamic Association for Palestine (IAP) Founder
Parent organization of the Council on American-Islamic Relations
Officially Designated Terrorist and Fugitive from Justice.
(IAP was found Liable for aiding and abetting Hamas in the murder of a 17-year-old American)
“Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it,
just as it obliterated others before it” – Hamas Charter
Senior Hamas member Marzook conspired with Omar Ahmad, Nihad Awad, and others to establish what the United States government has termed “front organizations” to support and advance the interests of Hamas and radical Islam in the United States. IAP provided the
Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) with employees, funding, operational
expertise, and ideological guidance.
” … probable cause exists that Abu Marzook knew of Hamas’s plan to carry out violent, murderous attacks, that he selected the leadership and supplied the money to enable the attacks to take place, and that such attacks were, therefore, a foreseeable consequence
of the conspiracy.” (Judge Kevin Duffy on Marzook)
Randall “Ismail” Royer
CAIR-National Civil Rights Coordinator
& Communications Specialist
*CONVICTED*
Committed Terrorist Crimes while working for CAIR
Pled guilty to using and discharging a firearm during, and in relation to,
a crime of violence; and with carrying an explosive during commission
of a felony … admitted helping four people gain entry to a terrorist
training camp in Pakistan operated by Lashkar-e-Taiba.
[United States Of America V. Randall Todd Royer (pdf)]
Ghassan Elashi
Founder Of CAIR-Texas
Chairman of Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development
*CONVICTED*
Sentenced To 65 Years In Federal Prison
Committed Terrorist Crimes while working for CAIR
Tried on 21 counts of conspiracy, money laundering and dealing
in property of a terrorist. Found guilty on all 21 counts.
[United States of America V. HLF (pdf)]
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
Defeated , defeated, defeated, that what you are. You have nothing to say to refute my proofs but to borrow silly words from a script of a dreadful movie!
Don’t you know ignorant parrot that Allah has soldiers on earth to defend his religion. Their mouths speak the truth and they fear none but Allah. He protects them and gives them divine knowledge to fight obstinate people like you! Now you have met one of them, and now you know how they are strong when it comes to Islam, the only religion which will be accepted by Allah on the Day of Resurrection.
You proved to me that you are not ready to encounter such people due to your total ignorance regarding Islam and even your own religion, Christianity.
An ignorant miserable man like you who degraded himself to the point of hallucinating words like “king of hell, Diabolus etc” must confine himself to a lunatic asylum, or maybe it will be better for you to roam the archives of political Islam and read all my words one by one so that you may know the truth. And once you knew it, and whether you believe in it or not, you will be held responsible for it on the Day of Judgment. On that frightening Day you will realize that the Koran is a decisive Word and no pleasantry.
May Allah guide us all to His path of rectitude, forgive our sins and admit us to Paradise.
Steve
You have given no facts. Just gibberish from your book of evil.
Your attempt to say Christianity was violent is a distorted propaganda tool used by your ilk for the weak of mind and the uninformative.
Our understanding of your cult is quite clear. We hear it everyday being sung by those in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Syria, Egypt and even here in America.
You think that your game of slowly devouring the world will work here. Your charades with CAIR and other groups are easily seen and the appeasement from the left that you now enjoy will come to an abrupt end.
Your words are meaningless to us. All one needs to see and hear are the women you rape for your lustful pleasures/ The Christians you killed for Allah The churches you burned in the name of Mohammad. Your sacrifice of children while so called men of god fire rockets and hide behind them as cowards and men of no moral character do . your religion speaks to us loud and clear not from your lies but by those who follow the true faith. Your distortion and misdirection has no play here. We see thru you. We know your name. Yes you dont have to utter a word of your theories or lies to us anymore we get it. We understand your butchery and craving for blood. We hear your calls of god is great when the lives of the innocent are snuffed out forever in the sea of flesh and bone that Allah craves. You are the serpent that stalks at night. The wolf that hungers for the child the baby killer the monster of the sand you are the beast within men’s souls that murder for the lust of the kill and the taste of your victims blood. We get it. We understand you and no matter how much you preach and claim your religion is one of peace, understanding,compassion and tolerance your evil serpent tongue tells a different story. One of murder, rape, pillage, and misery. If you truly feel that yours is the only true religion climb atop the of mountain of corpses you have murdered. look down upon your land of blood and misery and proclaim that allah is great.
I call you by your given name.
Angel of Darkness
Antichrist
Apollyon
Beelzebub
Diabolus
King of Hell
Lucifer
Mephistopheles
Prince of Darkness
archfiend
demon
the Evil Spirit
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
Steve
During my discussions with you I realized that you are not on my level. You are but gnorant and empty-headed. You are like a parrot, repeating words you don’t know their meaning. Your words about Allah and the Prophet are blasphemous and you will bear the consequences.
You have been defeated several times during our dialogues, but I was patient with you. I gave you all the facts, and when you found yourself unable to reply, you resorted to insolence, a matter that forced me to answer back.
It is my attitude to explain the religion to hate mongers like you first, then mention the consequences. The minute you hear the consequences, you get mad. O no, ignorant parrot. The consequences are terrible, and you know them already. Remember them when they befall you, in this world, in your grave and in the Hereafter.
One of the funniest words I have ever heard were yours, “I work for mankind!”. O dear! Please ignorant fellow spare mankind your ignorance, misguidance, blasphemy, evil and straying.
Steve
My creator has a son his name is Jesus Christ. My God cast Satan your allah to Hell and he is the one who controls your so called pagan idol worshipping religion. You and your kind will burn in hell not I.
You think I’m a hired writer. I have news for you. I and millions like me know the truth about Islam and evil liars such as you trying to spew your evil upon the world will be punished.
I dont work for this site nor do I work for any site on the internet. I work for mankind and I see the evil your religon has done is doing and wants to impose by forse on this world.
your theology is evil the methods Islam uses are evil. It’s prophet was eveil. Its god is evil.
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
Does God dance, you moron fool? Does God has a son you crazy polytheist. You have just blasphemed against your creator, you dweller of Hell.
Now you know the truth. You will be held responsible for every word I wrote here in your despicable site. You cannot escape from the truth you empty – headed moron.
You think it was my intention to teach you something of value. You are just a hired writer implementing an agenda against Muslims, and you will never prosper.
According to the American lifestyle, you will be dancing with the burning stars in Gehenna with the angels of Hell.
Steve
You have taught me nothing. You have however confirmed what everyone here has been saying. Islam is of the devil. Uou can quote all day long and try….TYR to expalin away the factual evidence of your pedophile prophet along with his evil moon god. Your texts fall on eyes wide open. The day you dance with Satan will be the day you remember me dancing with the one true God and his son Jesus Christ.
So print away. Your double talk and lies will not sway those here who know the truth.
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
* In his attempt to prove that Islam is a violent religion, Steve says that the Caliphs Umar ibn Al-Khattab, and Muawiya, and Abd Al-Rahman ibn Alhkam when conquered Pursia, Armenia and Alava in Spain, respectively, their troops plundered, and killed the natives…
I don’t think this is true, because Muslims when opned the nations, the intention was to spread the religion of peace, and to establish the concept of pure monotheism, which had been extinguished and replaced by paganism and polytheism. It was therefore a Message of mercy guiding to the true path of rectitude.
During his life, the Prophet of Islam gave various injunctions to his forces and adopted practices toward the conduct of war. The most important of these were summarized by Muhammad’s companion and first caliph , Abu Bakr, in the form of ten rules:
“Do not betray or misappropriate any part of the booty; do not practice treachery or mutilation. Do not kill ayoung child, an old man, or a woman. Do not uproot or burn palms or cut down fruitful trees. Do not slaughter a sheep or a cow or a camel, except for food. You will meet people who have set themselves apart in hermitages; leave them to accomplish the purpose for which they have done this. You will come upon people who will bring you dishes with various kinds of food. If you partake of them, pronounce Allah’s name over what you eat. You will meet people who have shaved the crown of their heads, leaving a band of hair around it. Go in Allah’s name, and may Allah protect you from sword and pestilence.”
These injunctions were honored by the second Caliph, Umar, during whose reign important Muslim conquests took place. During the battle of Siffin, the Caliph Ali stated that Islam does not permit Muslims to stop the supply of water to their enemy.
Regarding the conquest of Egypt, the Prophet said to his forces heading to egypt:
“You are going to enter Egypt a land where “Qirat” (money unit) is used. Be extremely good to them as they have with us close ties and marriage relationships. When you enter Egypt after my death, recruit many soldiers from among the Egyptians because they are the best soldiers on earth, as they and their wives are permanently on duty until the Day of Resurrection. Be good to the Copts of Egypt; you shall take them over, but they shall be your instrument and help. Be righteous to Allah about the Copts.
These principles were upheld by Amr ibn al-Aas during his conquest of Egypt. A Christian contemporary in the 7th century, John Nikiu, stated the following regarding the conquest of alexandria by Amr:
On the twentieth of Maskaram, Theodore and all his troops and officers set out and proceeded to the island of Cyprus, and abandoned the city of Alexandria. And thereupon, Amr the chief of the Muslims made his entry without effort into the city of Alexandria. And the inhabitants received him with respect; for they were in great tribulation and affliction. And Abba Benjamin, the Patriarch of the Ecgyptians, returned to the city of Alexandria in the thirteenth year after his flight from the Romans, and he went to the churches, and inspected all of them. And every one said: ‘This expulsion (of the Romans) and victory of the Muslim is due to the wickedness of the emperor Heraclius and his persecution of the Orthodox through the Patriarch Cyrus. This was the cause of the ruin of the Romans and the subjugation of Egypt by the Muslims. And Amr became sronger every day in every field of his activity. And he exacted the taxes which had been determined upon, but he took none of the property of the churches, and he committed no act of spoliation or plunder, and he preserved them throughout all his days.”
The principles established by the early Caliphs were also honored during the Crusades, as exemplifyed by Sultan Salah Eldine who after defeating the Christians in Jerusalem gave them protection while retreating back to their homeland – europe. Also, Sultan Al-Kamil defeated the Franks during the Crusades, Oliverus Scholasticus praised the Islamic laws of war, commenting on how Al-Kamil supplied the defeated Frankish army with food:
” Who could doubt that such goodness, friendship and charity come from God? Men whose parents, sons and daughters, brothers and sisters, had died in agony at our hands, whose lands we took, whom we drove naked from their homes, revived us with their own food when we were dying of hunger and showered us with kindness even when we were in their power”.
Steve said that Sultan Muhammad Al-Fateh when he opened Constantinople had given his troops free quarter. They raped the nuns and slaughtered the men etc.
The opening of Constantinople by muhammad Al-Fateh is an important matter in the history of Islamic conquests. A matter deserving serious consideration.
The opening of Constantinople by Sultam muhammad Al-Fateh was inevitable. It was a prophecy of Prophet Muhammad. The Prophet mentioned that Muslims would conquer both Rome and Constantinople. He was asked which would fall first, and the Prophet said, “The city of Heraclius” i.e. Constantinople.
Muhammad Al-Fateh’s father, Sultan Murad II, the seventh Ottoman Sultan, raised Muhammad to be a great man. He prepared and trained him to shoulder the responsibilities of the position of a Sultan. Muhammad Al-Fateh memorized all the Koran, learned the Prophetic narrations, Islamic jurisprudence, mathematics, astronomy and the skills required for war. He also learnt Arabic, Persian, Latin and Greek languages. He joined his father in his battles and conquests.
His father appointed him as a ruler of a small emirate so that he could receive practical training on administering state affairs under the supervision of some of the top scholars of that time. This matter influenced the charater of the young prince and tinted his personality with Islamic morals and manners. Sheikh Aaq Shamsd-Deen, one of the Scholars who supervised the upbringing and education of Muhammad Al-Fateh, managed to inculcate in his heart that he may be the one referred to in the Prophet narration. The young prince never left his obligated prayer and midnight prayer from the day he reached his age of puberty until he died. All this shaped the character of the young prince, he became highly ambitious, widely cultured and had deep knowledge of the skills of war and combat.
After the death of his father, Muhammad Al-Fateh took over and became the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire. He was only twenty years-old, but very ambitous thinking of the conquest of Constantinople, the eastern capital of the Byzantine Empire.
Muhammad Al-Fateh conquered Constantinople in his 21 years of age. Too young for such tremendous task, but that was what really happened. Muhammad prevented his armies from pillaging and plundering. He even gave his word to protect all the Christians, their belongings and their monastries. however, he transferred Hayya Sofia church into a Mosque as a big sign of him had conquered Constantinople.
At noon, Sultan Muhammad II entered Constantinople through the gate of Saint Romanus riding his horse in a great procession followed by his ministers, generals and soldiers. He walked in the street that led to the church, and when he reached the altar he found the priests and monks who sought refuge in it. He was kind to them and guaranteed their security. He asked the Christians present in the Church to depart safely to their houses, then he had the adhan called for the prayers.
For the first time, the Sultan and the Muslims attending with him prayed in the Church. The Church, afterwards became the Mosque of Aya Sufiya, which is one of the finest mosques.
After Muhammad Al-Fateh conquered Constantinople, he went far deep to Balkans (Romania, Bosnia, Cossovo, yugoslavia, Serbia, Georgia and Ukraine) and nearly seized Italy and Rome before he died.
The lessons deduced from this event are important. After the expulsion of Muslims from Spain and the end of Muslim’s epoch in Europe, followed by the Crusade which killed hundreds of thousands of Arab muslims and Christians in Jerusalem, it was the Will of Allah to spread His religion once more in Europe. But this time the openers were not the Arabs, but the Muslim Turks coming from Asia minor to spread the monotheistic religion of the seal of the Prophets,Muhammad, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him. As if Allah wanted all His servants living in all the world to know His last Message to them before the day of reckoning comes to pass.
Islam has begun with just one man, Muhammad. The number of Muslims however, has become more than one billion and four hundred million now. The Prophet of Islam said, “Islam will go as far as day and nigtht go” and this means that Islam will reach every part in the earth that day and the night reach, and this what truly happened.
* Steve said in his post dated March 11, 2011, “So Dr. El-Guindy, so I assume as a man of the idol moon god…meaning that Muslims worship a moon god!
There is another moron claiming that we worship a black stone in the Ka’ba!
I wonder, where did they get this information from. We don’t have it neither in the Sunna nor in the Koran. What I find about our God in the Koran is certainly not a truine polytheistic God, but one Mighty God, Allah. The following is His characteristics in the Koran:
He is Allah; there is no god but He.
He is the Knower of the Unseen and the Visible; the All-Merciful, the All-Compassionate.
He is Allah; there is no god but He.
He is the King, the All-Holy, the All-Peaceable, the All-Faithful, the All-preserver, the All-Mighty, the All-Compeller, the All-Sublime.
Glory be to Allah, above that they associated!
He is Allah, the Creator, the Maker, the Shaper.
To Him belong the names most beautiful. All that is in the heavens and the earth magnifies Him; He is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise (Al-Hashr 22-24).
As for the Word of Allah, the Koran, Allah says about it:
If We had sent down this Koran upon a mountain, thou wouldst have seen it humbled, split asunder out of the fear of Allah (Al-Hashr, 21).
Well, Steve, there is an apparent mist and illusion in your spiritual sight regarding Islam. Your intentional assertion of what is false takes you far from the truth. You see things from wrong angles and dispute about them. You hide real motives, and pretends to virtues which you do not possess. Your vision is narrow, and your values are false. Your plotting against Islam, is all open before Allah’s sight.
There are various degrees of humiliation, the worst is the humiliation of being numbered among those who ignominiously attempted to resist Allah the Irresistible.
Allah has decreed that He and His Messengers must prevail, for He is One full of strength, able to enforce His Will.
Surely those who oppose Allah and His messenger, those are among the most abject. Allah has written, “I shall assuredly be the victor, I and My Messwengers.” Surely Allah is All-Strong, All-Mighty (Al-Mujadalah 21, 22).
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
Abraham was a nomad chief as well as a great Prophet. He used to live in a tent and had large flocks of cattle and great wealth. Nomad tribesmen do not inherit lands and pastures, but the prince assigns to each of his sons certain clans or tribes as his subjects and dependents. As a rule the youngest inherits the hearth or the tent of his parents, whereas the elder succeeds him to his throne. Isaac, who was the younger of the two, inherited the tent of his father and became like him a nomad living in tents. But Ishmael was sent to Hijaz to guard the House of Allah, which he together with Abraham had built as referred to in the Koran. There Ishmael settled, became Prophet and prince among the Arab tribes who believed in him. It was at Makkah that the Ka’aba became the center of the pilgrimage called al-Hajj. It was Ishmael that founded the religion of one true Allah and instituted the circumcision. Prophet Muhammad is a direct descendant of Ishmael, and was born in Makkah as a fulfillment of the prayer of Abraham and Ishmael while both were building the Holy House of Allah, Al Ka’aba in Makkah, as explained in the following verses of the Koran:
And when Abraham was tested by his Lord, with commands which he fulfilled, Allah said, “I will make you an ideal to the people.” He prayed, “And from my offspring.” Allah said, “But my Covenant does not extend to wrongdoers.”
And We made the Sacred House (The Ka’aba) a sanctuary for the people, and take Abraham’s place of worship as your place of worship, and We entrusted Abraham and Ishmael to purify my House for those who encompass it, and for those who retire to it for devotion and prayer, and those who bow down, and for those who prostrate themselves there.
And when Abraham said, “My Lord make this city (Makkah) a safe place and provide its inhabitants with fruits, those of them who believe in Allah and the Last Day.” He said, “And whoever disbelieves, I will leave him in enjoyment for a time, then I will consign him to the torment of the Fire, surely an evil destination.
And as Abraham and Ishmael were raising the foundation of the House (Ka’aba) they humbly prayed, “Our Lord accept this from us, surely you are the All-hearing, the All-knowing-
Our Lord lead us to submit to your will and raise from our offspring a nation which will submit to your will, and direct us to our ordinance for worship, and turn us from sin, indeed you are the Relenting, the Most Merciful-
Our Lord send to them a Messenger from among them who shall recite your Revelations to them and teach them the Book (Koran) and the Wisdom and purify them, surely you are Almighty, All-Wise.”
And who rejects the Religion of Abraham but those who make fools of themselves? We have chosen him in this world, and in the Hereafter he will be among the righteous.
When His Lord said to him (Abraham), “Be Muslim” (Submit to My Will), he said, “I submit my will to the Lord of the Worlds.”
And this was the advice of Abraham to his sons, and of Jacob, “O my sons, Allah has ordained the Religion for you, so hold fast to the Religion of Islam until death comes to you.”
Or were you witnesses when death came to Jacob, when he said to his sons, “What will you worship after me?” They said, “We will worship your Allah, the Allah of your fathers, Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac. One Allah and to His will we submit.” (Al Baqara, 124-133).
Ishmael’s offspring soon increased and was multiplied like the stars in the sky. From the days of Prophet Ishmael to the advent of Prophet Muhammad, the Arabs of Hijaz, Yemen and others became independent and masters of their own countries. The Roman and Persian Empires were powerless to subdue the people of Ishmael. Even Esau the elder son of Isaac, left his father’s hearth for his younger brother Jacob and dwelt in Edom, where he became the chief of his people and soon got mixed with the Arab tribes of Ishmael who was both his uncle and father in law.
Abraham was reported in the Bible to have several other sons from Qitura and the concubines, to whom he gave presents and gifts and sent them towards the East. All these became large and strong tribes. Twelve sons of Ishmael were mentioned by name and described, each one to be a prince with his towns and camps or armies (Gen.xxv). So were the children from Qitura, and others, as well as those descended from Easu mentioned by their names.
When we behold the number of the family of Jacob when he went to Egypt, which hardly exceeded seventy heads, and when he was met by Easu with an escort of four hundred horsemen, and the mighty Arab tribes submitted to the twelve Emirs belonging to the family of Ishmael, and then when Muhammad the last messenger of Allah proclaimed the religion of Islam, all the Arab tribes unitedly acclaimed him and accepted his religion, and subdued all the lands promised to the children of Prophet Abraham, one must indeed be blind not to see that the Covenant was made with Ishmael and the promise accomplished in the person of Prophet Muhammad upon whom be peace.
Enough for now Steve. I’ll get back to you after a short while. I still have to answer the rest of the points you raised.
Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy
Hey Steve. I am here again to teach you some lessons. Just read carefully because I am trying to fill your empty head with real knowledge. It is about time that you change from an ignorant parrot to a knowledgeable person. Who knows, you may be guided to the right path!
* Steve says: ” The Prophet cut off the hands and feet of the men belonging to the tribe of Uraina and did not cauterise their bleeding limbs till they dies.”
Islam considers high way robery a very serious crime because it threatens the calm and order of all society. Islam deals with two types of robery, the first is robbinng travellers from distant places; while the second is armed assault into private home. The first conviction of this offense merits the amputation of the right hand and left foot of the wrongdoer, although some schools allow a simple deportation if no harm occurs. The second merits the amputation of left hand and right foot. Those are limits set by Allah. Against Allah’s decrees all resistance is vain.
Why Muhammad applied the decree of Allah on the men of the tribe of Uraina?
Some Bedouins came to the Prophet and told him that they came from afar in order to meet him and embrace Islam. He preached them and invited them to Islam, and they accepted. He honored them and offered that they go to a place where his camels are forging in order to eat from their meat and drink their milk. But what they did was to steel all the camels and killed the shepherd. The Prophet sent some of his companions after them. They caught them and brought them to the Prophet. The Prophet applied the verdict of Allah on them (had elheraba).
Says the Koran:
This is the recompense of those who fight against Allah and His Messenger, and hasten about the earth, to do corruption there: they shall be slaughtered, or crucified, or their hands and feet shall alternately be stuck off, or they shall be banished from the land. That is degradation for them in this world; and in the world to come awaits them a mighty chastisement (Al-Maida, 33).
This kind of punishment (had elheraba) also existed at the time of Pharoe of Moses, long before Islam.
The Koran says:
The magicians fell down prostrate. They said: ‘We believe in the Lord of Harun (Aaron) and Musa (Moses).”
Pharoe said: ‘Believe ye in him (Moses) before I give you permission? Verily, he is your chief who has taught you magic. So I will surely cut off your hands and feet on opposite sides, and I will surely crucify you on the trunks of date palms, and you shall surely, know which of us (Moses or his Lord, Allah) can give the severe and more lasting torment (Taha, 71).
So, Steve, don’t mention the punishment and conceal the reason bihind it, as you always do in order to misguide your readers.
* Steve says: some zanadiqua were broughjt to Ali (the fourth Caliph after the Prophet) and he burnt them. Ibn Abbas said: “if I had been in his place I would not have burnt them, as Allah’s Apostle forbade it, saying, “Do not punish anybody with Allah’s punishment (fire).’ I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah’s Apostle, “Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.”
The Zanadiqa were a group of people who were causing mischief in the land and in their ignorance believed that Caliph Ali, the cousin of the Prophet, was God incarnate.
The position that is most prevalent in readings of Muslim Law is that the death penalty awaits any Muslim who changes his religion to another, as a fixed penalty for a religion offense known as Ridda or Apoatasy. Jurists base their ruling on a tradition reported by al-Bukhari and several others to the effect that when news reached Ibn Abbas that Ali had burnt a number of Zanadiqaq to death, Ibn Abbas in the above mentiond Hadith said: “…but I would have killed them (anyway) because the Prophet said, “Whoever changes his reliogion, killed him.”
Caliph Ali might have been wrong by burning the Zanadiqa, but they were to be killed anyway. This is the verdict of the Prophet regarding apostasy.
Therefore, whoever falls away from faith in Islam commits from an Islamic perspective an unforgivable sin. He takes himself away from Allah, his owner, which is theft, and weakens the Islamic state, an action branded as revolt or insurrection. He who falls away from Islam must be called to repent first, but if he doesn’t repent, has according to Sharia, fortfeited his life and is to be put to death by the state.
Sorry steve, but this is our religion , it is not subject to compromise or reconciliation. We don’t change its principles in order to satisfy others. We rather adhere blindly to its injunctions. We don’t argue with Allah or His Prophet about the divine verdicts.
* Steve says: “Explain this: the Prophet said, “The Hour of the Last Judgment will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding wil say: ‘O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.”
If the Prophet had said that, so it will happen. May be another war will occur between Muslims and the Jews in order to restore the occupied land and Al-Aqsa Mosque. And what is so strange about that? The Jews had been killing the Palestinians since 1948, demolishing their houses, steeling their land, and pushing hard to deport them to another land.
Why are you so caring about the Israelis who are spreading mischief in the Palestinian land, and you don’t care for the unarmed vanquished Palestinians?
Shame on you – this is utter racism, and ugly prejudice.
* Steve goes back again and again to the issue of Aisha, the Prophet’s wife, insisting that the Prophet is pedophile (God forbid).
Steve doesn’t know how to read the Sunna of the Prophet and benefit from it. Even the most authentic books of Hadith include unauthentic Hadiths. The books of the Sunna are not infallible as is the case with the koran. They are rather the sincere effort of the scholars to trace back the narrations of the Prophet through supposedly trustworthy narrators who were living 500 years back until the time of the Prophet. Weak Hadiths may therefore result, thus deviating from the truth.
Muslims, therefore, when they read the books of Hadith, they first make sure that the Hadith is authentic according to the methods adopted by the scholars of Hadith. Second, if the Hadith do not conform with reason, they totally reject it.
Now let’s reason together to dig out the truth. Pedophile is defined as psychosexual disorder in which an adult’s arousal and sexual gratification occur primarily through sexual contact with prepubescent children. The typical pedophile is unable to find satisfaction in an adult sexual relationship and may have low self-esteem, seeing sexual activity with a child as less threatening than that with an adult (Encyclopedia Britanica, 1998).
Does the Prophet fit the above criteria of pedophiole? The lifestyle of the Prophet and his marriages reveal that persentage of his wives who were 17 years-old and older was 91%; percentage of his wives who were widows was 75%.
Most of the Hadith narrations mentioning Aisha ‘s age was nine are reported through Hisham ibn Urwa while living in Iraq, where Hicham is reported to have relocated after living in Madina for 71 years. It is reported in one of the well known books on the life and reability of the narrators of the traditions of the Prophet that Yaqub ibn Shaiba said, “narratives reported by Hicham are reliable except those that are reported through the people of Iraq.” It further states that Malik ibn Anas, one of the closest companions of the Prophet, objected on those narratives of Hicham, which were reported through people of Iraq. Another book on the narrators of the traditions of Muhammad reported that when Hicham was old, his memory suffered quite badly.
We find evidence in both Hadith books and history books that indicates Aisha must have been older than nine when she got married:
1- According to a Hadith in Bukhari and Muslim, Aisha is said to have joined Muhammad on the raid that culminated in the Battle of Badr, in 624 CE. However, because no one below the age of 15 was allowed to accompany raiding parties, Aisha should have been at least fifteen in 624 CE and thus at least 13 when she was married following the Hijra in 622 CE.
2- Ibn Hisham’s version of ibn Ishaq’s Sirat Rasul Allah, the earliest surviving biography of Muhammad, records Aisha as having converted to Islam before Umar ibn al-Khattab, during the first few years of Islamb around 619 CE. In order to accept Islam she must have been walking and talking, hence at least 3 years of age, which would make her at least 15 in 622 CE.
3- Tabari reports that Abu Bakr, her father, wished to spare Aisha the discomforts of a journey to Ethiopia soon after 615 CE, and tried to bring forward her marriage to Mut’am’s son. Mut’am refused because Abu Bakr had converted to Islam, but if Aisha was already of mariageable age in 615 CE, she must have been older than 9 in 622 CE.
Tabari also reports that Abu Bakr’s four children were all born during the Pre-Islam period, which has ended in 610 CE. making Aisha at least twelve in 622 CE.
4- Accdording to ibn Hajar, Fatima, the daughter’s Prophet, was 5 years older than Aisha. Fatima is reported to have been born when Muhammad was 35 years old, meaning Aisha was born when he was 40 years old, and thus twelve when Muhammad married at 52.
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