Mohammed, a Real Muslim?

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The judgment of our leaders about Bin Laden:
“Bin Laden was not a Muslim leader…” Barack Obama

“He [Bin Laden] never represented Islam. I actually question whether he was a Muslim or not.” Imam Mohammad Ahmed al Sherif, Imam of the Islamic Center of Nashville. Nashville Scene, May 5, 2011.

When the President and an imam declare that Bin Laden was not really a Muslim, it must be true. According to the establishment, we are to swallow their declarations as the full truth and go on about our business living in a world where all Islam is good. Those “bad” actions are done by I-know-they-are-practicing-jihad-but-they-are-not-really-Muslims Muslims. Or more succinctly: a jihadist is not really a Muslim.

Really? A jihadist is not really a Muslim? This news is going to be such a disappointment to Mohammed, the original Mohammed, the jihadist Mohammed. And let us not leave out the jihadist Allah.

Should we declare that all of the first caliphs who were personal companions of Mohammed were not really Muslims as well? After all, all four of the Rightly Guided Caliphs (the first four leaders of Islam after Mohammed’s death) started where Mohammed left off and waged jihad for their entire lives. They created the first stage of the Islamic empire. Why did they practice jihad? Because they were taught by example by Mohammed.

Mohammed’s example was crystal clear. According to the Sira, the sacred biography of Mohammed, he was involved in over 65 acts of jihad, or as we say today, 65 acts of terror. And that was in a 9 year period. Bin Laden was small fry, in comparison to Mohammed.

Why are we being told that Bin Laden was not a real Muslim? The propaganda is that violence has nothing to do with Islam. But Islam is based on Mohammed and he was violent in every way. He assassinated those who opposed him, enslaved thousands and sold them for money to wage jihad, he tortured men to death for money, tortured slaves to get information from them, created a policy of rape of Kafir women and on and on. The only reason to call Bin Laden a non-Muslim is that he did not do enough jihad. Oops, pardon me, terror.

But wait! Maybe the reason that Bin Laden was not a Muslim was because it is true that violent behavior is not Islamic. And since Mohammed was much more violent than Bin Laden, we are left with the conclusion that Mohammed was not a Muslim. He was too violent to be a Muslim.

Of course, there is the argument that Mohammed had just the right amount of violence against the Kafirs (non-Muslims) and that he defines what is right about everything Islamic. In that case the imam and Barack Obama were wrong about Bin Laden. Now we have ourselves in a bind. Was Mohammed wrong or were Obama and the imam wrong? Hmmm. I am betting that Obama and the imam are wrong.

Bin Laden was a fine Muslim in the sense of being a fine jihadist, just like Mohammed, only not as violent. But Bin Laden was the student and Mohammed was the master.


Bill Warner, Director, Center for the Study of Political Islam
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50 Responses

  1. CL Edwards
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    Good straight forward article, if Bin Laden and the Mujaheddeen are not “real ” Muslims then who is? Jihad based on the life of Muhammad and the early Muslim generations, up until recent times has always been the greatest expression of Love for Islam and Allah. Even in Christianity we know to give up one’s live for another is the ultimate expression of Love, Islam just says it’s god requires you give your life for him, opposite of the God of the Bible.

    CL Edwards
    http://www.callingmuslims.com

  2. Steve
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    Sam.

    Islam was really first to give equality irrespective of race

    lol. Really? Was that while Mohammad was in Mecca or when he was in Medina?

    Those white men your referring to. If they were true Christians and kept to the teachings of Christ then they wouldn’t have done those atrocities That goes for any so called Christian who wars against those under the flag of Christ.

    While you seem to do much research and you seem to be a man of educated means (spelling and typo’s removed) You should know full well the definitions and the arguments of the differences made of Christendom and Christian. Those who you refer to ie Columbus. .They weren’t true Christians….

    As for Bill and please excuse me Bill if I am stepping out of my bounds here, Bill doesn’t have to present a skewed vision stereotyping Islam as a cult of hate and murderers.
    Followers of Mohammad do it for him. All he does is explain without the distorted lies from those who are ignorant and those who practice taqiyya.

  3. Sam
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    Hi Bill,

    I read your bio, afte 9/11 I personally researched Islam with their point of view, you researched looking for hatred thus your vision was skewed and just taking out points and stereotyping.

    Its funny you add up slaves of Muslim world but remember your number are exagerated

    “Ever heard who was first man to find America?”

    Yes there were already people there and those people are severely reduced in numbers by us white men. Us white men have killed in scores and followed a policy of discrimination but Islam was really first to give equality irrespective of race.

    Politically they had to grow so they expanded bt I read in detail most of them stuck to the terms while christain or whte men were good in breaking terms and treating non-while inferior hell most of us do not follow Ten commandments (i am not religious)

    Columbus killed murdered slaved nine yr old girls. We killed more than most of Islamic world ever did from WW1 to 2 and now we are creating third one.

  4. Steve
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    LOL.

    Every term I used was correct.

    The definition I offered up of abrogation is correct.

    You however have been exposed.

    Like I said your Jedi Islamic mind tricks don’t work here. Try it on CNN or MSNBC you have friends their who would appreciate a really good liar and an enemy to the United States.

  5. M.A. Middle East Politics
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    @Mike,

    The first issue is that I seldom devote any attention to debating Islamo-Christian theology with individuals who have not read the Qur’an such as yourself (which is apparent that you do not possess a clue about the Book).

    1. I advise you to use a Qur’an with a better translation; Surah 5:82 does not have the sentence “men devoted to learning and who renounce the world.”

    2. Please provide the names of these “Quranic writers” you mention.

    3. The Qur’an employs to phrases throughout, “O You who believe” and “O You who believe and work righteous deeds.” The latter is used far more in the Qur’an (greater than 3:1)

    4. Jesus NEVER claimed to be sent to all of humanity: “I am only sent to the lost sheep of the house of israel.” (Matthew 15:22-28)

    5. Name one single verse in the Bible where Jesus says “I am God, worship me!” He never claimed that he was God.

    6. Do you really believe in a book that claims that human diversity is a curse imposed upon humanity because men built a “tower” to try and see God? And, that God cursed humans because Noah’s son saw him naked? This is absolutely absurd and completely contradicts science and logic.

    7. Never, did these verses that you misquoted remotely provide an idea that mankind is without sin. The Prophet Muhammad stated, “if mankind did not commit sin and seek Allah’s forgiveness, verily he would have wiped out the population and created a new group that would sin and seek His Forgiveness.”

    8. I could care less what the Bible states…and I’m a convert from Christianity to Islam.

  6. Steve
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    M.A. Middle East Politics

    As usual. I expected as much.

    Lies and distortion. I see your a good Muslim a true follower of Mohammad and Osama Bin Laden practicing taqiyya and abrogation. It just doesn’t work here. Better to spread your lies with the main stream media then to attack sites such as this with those of us who know who you are and what your end game is. (Khilafa). It’s such a shame that the less educated and ignorant of your cult are the ones practicing Istishad . We would like it if those of your endless knowledge of deception would strap on bombs instead.
    Your vision of Tawhid will not happen. We see you hiding behind Mohammad of the peaceful Meccan and as I mentioned we know about abrogation by aggressive Medinan verses which you must as a pure Muslim follow.

    We see you. I’m behind the rock and my Jewish brother is behind the tree and we see you for who you really are……Evil!

  7. Steve
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    Although you may think your the smartest one in the room with the largest brain pan, your really not. lol.

    I just love it when your kind are outed by your prophets own words. and no matter how you spin your lies the Qur’an, Hadith and the Sira tell us exactly what you were and who you are now. Or rather who you all wish to become. Gotta work on those so called moderate Muslims that could never believe their prophet would rapea children and behead hundreds with his own hands.

    You just cant handle the simple fact that Kafir’s such as I know that Islam is a brutally violent political entity wrapped around the cloak of a religion justified by a black rock stolen from a pagan belief..

    Yep we gotcha bud!

  8. M.A. Middle East Politics
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    @Steve,

    Are you having a psychotic episode?

    What is your point? This diatribe you embarked upon is nothing less than jibber-jabber.

    And please, the next time you ATTEMPT to use terminology from Islamic jurisprudence, please research how to employ it properly. Otherwise you make yourself look like a donkey carrying books.

    P.S. the “abrogation” you’re referencing is not at all how (mis)interpret it. Most Quranic commentators state, “the abrogation refers to revelations from the previous scriptures.” If you were semi-literate in Islam, then you would have known this.

  9. leigh
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    . Jesus NEVER claimed to be sent to all of humanity: “I am only sent to the lost sheep of the house of israel.” (Matthew 15:22-28)

    5. Name one single verse in the Bible where Jesus says “I am God, worship me!” He never claimed that he was God.
    MA – you need to read more than one verse:

    Jesus claims to deity clear:

    Jesus spoke and acted in place of God
    Generally didn’t speak as himself as God as this was seen as blasphemous (assuming he was a mere man as Jews would have!)
    He tended to expect the silence those who spoke of that (see Mk 1:5,34,43-44/3:11-12/5:43/7:36- because of the political overtones of the expectation sis of a political messiah who would physically overthrow the Romans. He had a mission to complete that he would control of his own time and making. Note he could have avoided Jerusalem and the trial/crucifixion if he wished to.
    Note in the NT Jesus is more often referred to as Lord as avoid the misunderstanding (that Islam has for example) that there are two gods. The first Christians were Jews and knew the Shema (Deut 6) and did not lightly worship Jesus as Lord.

    Jesus spoke and acted as one different from prophets:
     You can only know God the Father if you know me -reveals the mind/knowledge of God ((Matt11: 27)
     I and God are of the same essence (Father and I are one- John 10:30; note 10:29 means greater than the enemy)
     I have food (i.e. spiritual) that you don’t know of (John 4:32)
     God’s son (John 10; 36-38)
     Christ the Blessed One (Matt 14:61-62)
     Immediately after this Jesus assumed the identity of the Son of Man from Dan 7:13-14)
     Referred to his unique relationship with God (My Father- John 10:17: Abba – for Judaism unheard of manner of addressing God: revealing secrets that God had hidden :)
     Spoke on his own authority not “says God”, but “I say to you” (Mk 1:27/Matt 5)
     Miracles of a volume and scope (healings/casting out evil spirits/raising the dead/controlling nature by his own power- unmatched by any Biblical prophet. See for example Matt chs 8,9,12,14,15; Mark ch 5;Luke chs 5,7, 8,17,22) (see Luke 4:16-21 for the passage from Isaiah 61 read by Jesus at the beginning of his ministry)
     Jesus wisdom personified: greater than the wisest man who ever lived, Solomon, Matt 12:42). Note John the Baptist said he was not fit to tie Jesus’ sandals! (John 1:26)
     Jesus greater than Abraham and existed before Abraham (John 8:56-59)
     See John’s other critical testimony of Jesus as saviour: John 1:29; regarding the ram that God provided for Abraham in place of his son- see Genesis 22:13-14.

    Jesus claimed the powers of God alone:
     Authority to forgive sins (Mk 2:1-12)
     Ultimate judge of all humanity (Matt 7:21-25/25:31- see Dan 7:13-14)
     Ruler of eternal kingdom (Matt 19:28/John 18:36)
     Identified himself as David’s Lord (Matt 24:44-46)
     Others commanded to follow him ahead of devotion to family/others (Matt 10:34-39)
     Refusal to submit to Jesus the same as refusal to submit to God (Matt 10:32-33)
     Persecution of his followers would be for Jesus’ sake not for the cause of righteousness (Matt 5:1-12)
     Announced in himself the reign of the Kingdom of God in his ministry (Matt 4:23; 5:3 /Mk 1:15/Lk 4:43)
     Accepted worship (Lk 24:52/Matt 28:17)
     Created law/revealed true nature of law (e.g. John 13:34/Matt chs 5-6)

    Early Church
     Devotion to Jesus as Lord (1 Cor 8:5-6)

  10. Mike Wilken
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    “Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians — whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve” (2:62, 5:69, and many other verses).

    Sorry but this is an outright lie that contradicts the Bible, we rely in the Good that the Lord has done, not our own good deeds. I’m certain Satan believes in God and the last day.So?

    “…and nearest among them in love to the believers will you find those who say, ‘We are Christians,’ because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant” (5:82).

    But having ‘qualities’ does not earn us the glory of God, paradise or peace with God. Scripture says all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, thats all Muslims too including Mohammad.

    “O you who believe! Be helpers of God — as Jesus the son of Mary said to the Disciples, ‘Who will be my helpers in (the work of) God?’ Said the disciples, ‘We are God’s helpers!’ Then a portion of the Children of Israel believed, and a portion disbelieved. But We gave power to those who believed, against their enemies, and they became the ones that prevailed” (61:14).
    Wrong! We do not have peace with God through our actions, we are Christians because of God’s Actions. The Koranic writer(s) could not understand this simple truth.

    “If only they [i.e. Christians] had stood fast by the Law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that was sent to them from their Lord, they would have enjoyed happiness from every side. There is from among them a party on the right course, but many of them follow a course that is evil” (5:66).”

    Another fallacy. If they were capable in the first place why would they need a Saviour? We know as Sons and Daughters of God that it is His actions that makes us ‘Christian’, not our own. The author(s) of the Koran have chosen the broad path that leads to destruction spoken of by Jesus. Their lack of wisdom and understanding precludes them from teaching about the True and Living God.

  11. M.A. Middle East Politics
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    Democracy,

    I apology for my last post. I falsely accused you of deleting the post as it was an error on MY part. Please delete the most recent post. Thanks

  12. M.A. Middle East Politics
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    On a personal note: I am an American Muslim, received my M.A. in Political Science (Middle East Politics) at the American University in Cairo and lived in the Middle East for 3 years. My expertise is US and EU Democracy Promotion Policies in the Middle East, as well as Democratization in the Arab World. While also having the pleasure of studying under the most brilliant Middle East political scientists.

    I am not one to take offense to Orientalist such as yourself. On the contrary, I welcome the debate.

    What are your credentials?

  13. M.A. Middle East Politics
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    “We demand liberty for all religious denominations in the State, so far as they are not a danger to it and do not militate against the morality and moral sense of the German race. The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession. It combats the Jewish-materialist spirit within and without us, and is convinced that our nation can achieve permanent health from within only on the principle: the common interest before self-interest.”

    My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice…. And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people…. When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited.
    -Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922

    It will at any rate be my supreme task to see to it that in the newly awakened NSDAP, the adherents of both Confessions can live peacefully together side by side in order that they may take their stand in the common fight against the power which is the mortal foe of any true Christianity.
    -Adolf Hitler, in an article headed “A New Beginning,” 26 Feb. 1925

    We are a people of different faiths, but we are one. Which faith conquers the other is not the question; rather, the question is whether Christianity stands or falls…. We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity… in fact our movement is Christian. We are filled with a desire for Catholics and Protestants to discover one another in the deep distress of our own people.
    -Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Passau, 27 October 1928, Bundesarchiv Berlin-Zehlendorf, [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]

  14. M.A. Middle East Politics
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    Democracy,

    I noticed by response no longer appears on this page. Granting you the benefit of doubt, I’m assuming it was some sort of mistake, as I cannot imagine someone would assume such a defeatist attitude during a debate. So, I will repost my rebuttal:

    Really? This is the best rebuttal you are able to conjure? “Are modern, liberal Moslems better Moslems than Mohammed…or his ‘rightly-guided’ companions and followers?” I produced copious evidence to discredit your misconceptions: “Jihad is the only guarantee for a Muslim to enter Paradise, the 72 Virgins concept is dogma within Islam, the numerous statements regarding “true jihad” as recorded by the Companions of the Prophet, your thesis directly connecting jihad to acquiring 72 Virgins, the numerous atrocities committed by Christians throughout history in the name of Christianity (which you ignored), and the Qur’an’s favorable mention of the Christians. Due to your inability/unwillingness to counter my argument; I am forced to conclude your acceptance of my arguments.
    Nevertheless, regarding Muhammad’s references of jihad to esoteric adherence; if you read the two most authentic collections of his statements (as accepted by most Muslims) as I have-you will find a severe disparity concerning the depth of attention directed to “The Book of Jihad” (294 statements) and “The Book of Prayers (571 statements in Book 1 alone).
    Addressing your query pertaining to the religiosity of moderates and the Sahabah; my response is: those who murder innocent people in the name of Islam have deviated from the teachings of Muhammad and the Sahabah. My evidence: The Prophet said, “Set out for Jihad in the name of Allah and for the sake of Allah. Do not lay hands on the old verging on death, on women, children and babes. Do not steal anything from the booty and collect together all that falls to your lot in the battlefield and do good, for Allah loves the virtuous and the pious.”
    And Umar ibn Al-Khattab said, “Stop, O people, that I may give you ten rules for your guidance in the battlefield. Do not commit treachery or deviate from the right path. You must not mutilate dead bodies. Neither kill a child, nor a woman. nor an aged man. Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful. Slay not any of the enemy’s flock. save for your food. You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone.”

  15. M.A. Middle East Politics
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    Steve,
    I recommend that you take history courses, the Crusades were called by the Byzantine Emperor Alexio I and Pope Urban II in order to retake Jerusalem from the infidel Muslims. During the defense of Jerusalem, the Muslims, Jews, and Orthodox Christians fought alongside one another against the Crusaders. And, when the Crusaders captured Jerusalem they not only massacred the Muslim and Jews, but also slaughtered their fellow Christian brethren. According to the Gesta Francorum, speaking only of the Temple Mount area, “…our men were killing and slaying even to the Temple of Solomon, where the slaughter was so great that our men waded in blood up to their ankles…”We have letters written by Christians in the Levant to Saladin pleading that the Muslims “liberate us from the oppression of the Western Christians” during the 2nd Crusade.
    Now, you stated the Muslims were massacring Christians and forcing them to convert to Islam. This is contrary to expansionist practices of the Muslim empire, even Bernard Lewis (the most prominent Orientalist of the 20th century) attests that Muslim territorial grab had little-to-nothing to do with conversion, as oppose to resource acquisition. Moreover, when Muslims captured a land they offered the inhabitants two options; convert to Islam or become a dhimmi, meaning they had to pay a tax towards the Muslim military, just as the Muslims had to pay an annual tax as well. Now, why would the Muslims offer non-Muslims an alternative to conversion if they were slaughtering them? This alone defeats the misconception of Islam expanding by the sword.
    I could continue to attack your historical inaccuracies, but that would take an additional five minutes that I don’t have.

  16. M.A. Middle East Politics
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    Let’s judge Hitler’s religious beliefs according to his own professions:

    “We demand liberty for all religious denominations in the State, so far as they are not a danger to it and do not militate against the morality and moral sense of the German race. The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession. It combats the Jewish-materialist spirit within and without us, and is convinced that our nation can achieve permanent health from within only on the principle: the common interest before self-interest.”

    My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice…. And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people…. When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited.
    -Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922

    It will at any rate be my supreme task to see to it that in the newly awakened NSDAP, the adherents of both Confessions can live peacefully together side by side in order that they may take their stand in the common fight against the power which is the mortal foe of any true Christianity.
    -Adolf Hitler, in an article headed “A New Beginning,” 26 Feb. 1925

    We are a people of different faiths, but we are one. Which faith conquers the other is not the question; rather, the question is whether Christianity stands or falls…. We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity… in fact our movement is Christian. We are filled with a desire for Catholics and Protestants to discover one another in the deep distress of our own people.
    -Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Passau, 27 October 1928, Bundesarchiv Berlin-Zehlendorf, [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]

    There is no dispute that Hitler considered himself a Christian, and his actions condoned by Christianity. Regarding Hitler’s respect for Muslims; I respect Indian food, but I don’t base my worldview upon the Hindu faith.

  17. Democracyistheanswer
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    Dear M.A.,

    Are modern, liberal Moslems better Moslems than Mohammed…or his ‘rightly-guided’ companions and followers?

    Dr. Warner’s opus at CSPI is based on a statistical analysis of preponderant themes in the Islamic trilogy of the Sira, Hadiths and Koran. He attempts to achieve an objective understanding of Mohammed’s political system through counting. For instance, 97% of jihad references are about military conquest, while 3% refer to inner purification.

    Dr. Warner has written several books on the political doctrines of Islam, as well as about 400 articles about jihad.

    You are in luck. You will find in-depth treatment of all your points at this website.

    http://www.politicalislam.com/store/category/primary-doctrine-books/

    http://www.politicalislam.com/store/category/six-views-of-islam/

    http://www.politicalislam.com/store/category/a-taste-of-islam-series/

    Over 400 jihad articles are indexed in 12 pages … using the search engine above.

    Good reading.

  18. M.A. Middle East Politics
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    Really? This is the best rebuttal you are able to conjure? “Are modern, liberal Moslems better Moslems than Mohammed…or his ‘rightly-guided’ companions and followers?” I produced copious evidence to discredit your misconceptions: “Jihad is the only guarantee for a Muslim to enter Paradise, the 72 Virgins concept is dogma within Islam, the numerous statements regarding “true jihad” as recorded by the Companions of the Prophet, your thesis directly connecting jihad to acquiring 72 Virgins, the numerous atrocities committed by Christians throughout history in the name of Christianity (which you ignored), and the Qur’an’s favorable mention of the Christians. Due to your inability/unwillingness to counter my argument; I am forced to conclude your acceptance of my arguments.
    Nevertheless, regarding Muhammad’s references of jihad to esoteric adherence; if you read the two most authentic collections of his statements (as accepted by most Muslims) as I have-you will find a severe disparity concerning the depth of attention directed to “The Book of Jihad” (294 statements) and “The Book of Prayers (571 statements in Book 1 alone).
    Addressing your query pertaining to the religiosity of moderates and the Sahabah; my response is: those who murder innocent people in the name of Islam have deviated from the teachings of Muhammad and the Sahabah. My evidence: The Prophet said, “Set out for Jihad in the name of Allah and for the sake of Allah. Do not lay hands on the old verging on death, on women, children and babes. Do not steal anything from the booty and collect together all that falls to your lot in the battlefield and do good, for Allah loves the virtuous and the pious.”
    And Umar ibn Al-Khattab said, “Stop, O people, that I may give you ten rules for your guidance in the battlefield. Do not commit treachery or deviate from the right path. You must not mutilate dead bodies. Neither kill a child, nor a woman. nor an aged man. Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful. Slay not any of the enemy’s flock. save for your food. You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone.”

  19. Amit
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    how rumi practised jihad?

  20. Amit
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    how did Rumi follow submission and duality principle and used jihad? please explain

  21. Amit
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    why my comments deleted?

  22. Democracyistheanswer
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    HITLER WAS FAVORABLE TO ISLAM WHILE DISAPPROVING CHRISTIANITY

    Albert Speer, who was Hitler’s Minister of Armaments and War Production, wrote a contrite memoir of his World War II experiences while serving a 20-year prison sentence imposed by the Nuremberg tribunal. Speer’s narrative includes a discussion which captures Hitler’s effusive praise for Islam, “a religion that believed in spreading the faith by the sword and subjugating all nations to that faith. Such a creed was perfectly suited to the Germanic temperament.” Hitler, according to Speer’s account, repeatedly expressed the conviction that, “The Mohammedan religion”would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?” These sentiments were also expressed by Hitler to Dr. Herman Neubacher, the first Nazi Mayor of Vienna, and subsequently, a special delegate of the Nazi regime in southeastern Europe. Neubacher wrote that Hitler had told him Islam was a “male religion,” and reiterated the belief that the Germans would have been far more successful conquerors had they adopted Islam in the Middle Ages. Additional confirmation of Hitler’s very favorable inclination towards Islam is provided by General Alexander Loehr, a Lutwaffe commander (executed in 1947 for the mass-murders of Yugoslav civilians). Loehr maintained a smiling Hitler had told him that Islam was such a desirable creed the Fuehrer longed for it to become the official SS religion.

  23. Amit
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    Bill Warner ..

    Wanted to contact you. Please answer this. I m from India and after study have realised that sufis too were for islam advancement and believed in submission and duality and used many deceit tactics and some also killed people in large amounts.

    Now comes Rumi. I think no islam ruler or high figure can allow Rumi or any one to just sustain if they don’t believe and islam and if they don’t believe that Rumi is helping advance islam in core – which is submission and duality.

    Rumi must be knowing this. how you see his poems and his attitude brought out from islamic core – sumbit to allah and his messenger or peril and the duality concept? he wrote on love but was it duality?
    i feel yes because no muslim afer knowing his own truth trained from infancy like now in madrassa will continue other forms of way which is non-islam

    how rumi was clever? spread islam? please tell me on basis of your reserach concept as mentioned above surmised in two words – submission and duality

  24. M.A. Middle East Politics
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    Democracy,

    You make reference to Hitler’s grotesque brutality, yet ignore the reality that his atrocities were predicated and justified according to his Christian fervor. The most heinous crimes against humanity being committed by a Christian, yet does he and the millions of other Christians who are responsible for the massacre of tens of millions of non-Christians represent the religion? George W. Bush claimed that God told him to invade Iraq.

    Let’s not play “tic-4-tac” regarding which religion is responsible for more deaths against non-believers.

  25. M.A. Middle East Politics
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    The Qur’an does not preach killing Christians:

    “Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians — whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve” (2:62, 5:69, and many other verses).

    “…and nearest among them in love to the believers will you find those who say, ‘We are Christians,’ because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant” (5:82).

    “O you who believe! Be helpers of God — as Jesus the son of Mary said to the Disciples, ‘Who will be my helpers in (the work of) God?’ Said the disciples, ‘We are God’s helpers!’ Then a portion of the Children of Israel believed, and a portion disbelieved. But We gave power to those who believed, against their enemies, and they became the ones that prevailed” (61:14).

    “If only they [i.e. Christians] had stood fast by the Law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that was sent to them from their Lord, they would have enjoyed happiness from every side. There is from among them a party on the right course, but many of them follow a course that is evil” (5:66).

  26. M.A. Middle East Politics
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    4. Regarding the TRUE jihad according to Muhammad:

    a. “`A’isha, Allah be well-pleased with her, asked: ‘Messenger of Allah, we see jihad as the best of deeds, so shouldn’t we join it?’ He replied, ‘But the best jihad is a perfect Hajj (pilgrimage to Makkah).'” (Sahih Al-Bukhari #2784)

    b. On another occasion, a man asked: “Should I join the jihad?” The Prophet asked, upon him peace, “Do you have parents?” The man said yes. The Prophet said: “Then do jihad by serving them!” (Sahih Al-Bukhari #5972)

    c. Another man asked: “What kind of jihad is better?” The Prophet replied, upon him peace: “A word of truth spoken in front of an oppressive ruler.” (Sunan Al-Nasa’i #4209)

    d. The Prophet also said, upon him peace: < > Al-Haythami declared it authentic in Majma` al-Zawa’id.

    5. Regarding Al-Suyut’s opinion: Al Suyuti was an extraordinarily controversial figure during his age; being largely criticized by his contemporaries for producing works containing significant errors. The fact other scholars have not continued his OPINION concerning the 72 virgins confirms his lack of scholarship and accuracy towards the matter. In fact, no other Muslim scholars have mentioned the “72 virgins” myth. According to fiqh, in order for an opinion to be deemed legitimate or authentic, there must be a consensus reached among at least multiple scholars regarding validating said viewpoint, along with significant references from the Qur’an and hadith. Al Suyuti’s opinion failed the most basic criteria.

    6. I’ve traveled to more than 22 countries, conversed with many Muslim scholars and imams, visited many mosques, and debated many lay Muslims. Interestingly, I’ve only be subjected to the 72 virgins myth by non-Muslims.

    7. Lest, I allow you to remain on the offense: I would be remiss to ignore the mass violence perpetrated by Christians throughout history: The Crusades, Inquisitions, Reformation, Witch Hunts, Native Americans, Africans, Holocaust, Christian Identity Movements, etc.

  27. M.A. Middle East Politics
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    1. The hadith “It was mentioned by Daraj Ibn Abi Hatim, that Abu al-Haytham ‘Adullah Ibn Wahb narrated from Abu Sa’id al-Khudhri, who heard the Prophet Muhammad PBUH saying, ‘The smallest reward for the people of Heaven is an abode where there are eighty thousand servants and seventy-two houri, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine and ruby, as wide as the distance from al-Jabiyyah to San’a. -Sunan al-Tirmidhi was classified as “gharib” (strange) by Al-Tirmidhi-not sahih (authentic), or even hasan (trustworthy). Meaning, Al-Tirmidhi did not believe this statement to be a true statement from the Prophet Muhammad. Moreover, the most pre-eminent Muslim scholar of hadith during the 20th century, Sheikh Nasr Din Al-Albani classified this hadith as “daeef” (weak). Hence, according to Islamic fiqh, this statement cannot be legitimately attributed to the Prophet Muhammad.

    2. Moreover, none of your quotes supported your thesis that “ONLY jihad can guarantee paradise.” According to an authentic (sahih) hadith from the Prophet Muhammad, it is a Muslim’s prayer which guarantees his/her entrance into Paradise, “Allah has ordained five times Salat and whosoever is mindful of his Salat, by doing Wudu’ properly and by praying at fixed hours with sincerity and devotion, is ASSURED by Allah of his entry into Paradise; and whosoever does not guard his Salat, there is no such guarantee for him, he may or may not be forgiven.” Again, jihad is not the only act which guarantees a Muslim’s entrance into paradise.

    3. You have been unable to directly link the person engaging in jihad to receiving 72 virgins as a reward.

  28. Democracyistheanswer
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    The fact that large numbers of Moslems are apathetic and non-practicing does not mean they would lift a finger to stop the jihadists.

    The fact that one is a lawyer does not mean a dedication to democracy. Only one judge in the Third Reich objected to Hitler’s discriminatory and unconstitutional laws…he was given early retirement. Most of the participants in the Wannsee Conference were lawyers, some with Ph.D’s in law.

    All the other lawyers during Hitler’s aberration were silent in the face of tyranny.

  29. Democracyistheanswer
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    To MA

    I would have thought you would be aware of the following texts which form a small part of the motivation of jihadists :

    Ubada bin Samit narrates, that the Prophet (sallallahu ‘alayhe wassallam) said, “The shaheed is granted seven gifts from Allah:

    1) He is forgiven at the first drop of his blood.
    2) He sees his status in Jannah.
    3) He is dressed in the clothes of Iman.
    4) He is safe from the punishment of the grave.
    5) He will be safe from the Great fear of the Day of Judgment.
    6) A crown of honor will be placed on his head.
    7) He will intercede on behalf of 70 members of his family.”

    – Musnad Ahmed, Tabrani, at-Targheeb wa at-Tarheeb, p.443, vol.2

    Muslims! Should I show you a profitable exchange that will keep you from severe torment? Believe in Allah and His messenger and fight valiantly for Allah’s cause [jihad] with both your wealth and your lives. It would be better for you, if you only knew it! – Koran 61:10

    “And if ye are slain, or die, in the way of God, forgiveness and mercy from God are far better than all they could amass.” – Koran 3:157

    Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, “The person who participates in (Holy battles) in Allah’s cause and nothing compels him to do so except belief in Allah and His Apostles, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty (if he survives) or WILL BE ADMITTED TO PARADISE (if he is killed in the battle as a martyr). Had I not found it difficult for my followers, then I would not remain behind any sariya going for Jihad and I would have loved to be martyred in Allah’s cause and then made alive, and then martyred and then made alive, and then again martyred in His cause.”

    -Sahih Bukhari 1:2:35

    It was mentioned by Daraj Ibn Abi Hatim, that Abu al-Haytham ‘Adullah Ibn Wahb narrated from Abu Sa’id al-Khudhri, who heard the Prophet Muhammad PBUH saying, ‘The smallest reward for the people of Heaven is an abode where there are eighty thousand servants and seventy-two houri, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine and ruby, as wide as the distance from al-Jabiyyah to San’a. -Sunan al-Tirmidhi

    Each time we sleep with a Houri we find her virgin. Besides, the penis of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal; the sensation that you feel each time you make love is utterly delicious and out of this world and were you to experience it in this world you would faint. Each chosen one [i.e. Muslim] will marry seventy [sic] houris, besides the women he married on earth, and all will have appetizing vaginas. -Al-Suyuti

    Let those (believers) Who sell the life of this world for the hereafter fight in the cause of Allah and whoso fights in the cause of Allah, – and is slain or gets victory, We shall bestow on him a great reward. – Koran 4:74

    Think not of those who are slain in God’s way as dead. Nay, they live, finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord. -Koran 3:169

    • God states that even though the martyrs were slain in God’s way in this life, their souls are alive and receiving provisions in the Dwelling of Everlasting Life. Muhammad is reported as saying “No soul that has a good standing with Allah and dies would wish to go back to the life of this world, except for the martyr. He would like to be returned to this life so that he could be martyred again, for he tastes the honor achieved from martyrdom.” – Ibn Kathir

    “The dream of having these women in paradise is a real dream and honestly many of us were willing to die for Allah, to go to paradise to have sex with these women.” – Dr Tawfik Hamid, once an Islamic terrorist on the streets of Cairo.

    Suicide-Jihad is the highest form of jihad:

    “We have arrived at the conclusion that martyrdom operations are permissible, and in fact the Mujahid who is killed in them is better than one who is killed fighting in the ranks.” – The Islamic Ruling on the Permissibility of Martyrdom Operations – Sheikh al-Uyayri

  30. M.A. Middle East Politics
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    Democracyistheanswer:

    Please provide your evidence from a reliable Muslim scholar validating your statement that “only jihad guarantees entrance into paradise and produces all of paradise’s sensual rewards.”

    I presume your statement regarding “all of paradise’s sensual rewards” is in reference to the mythical “virgins” in Heaven. Which again, I challenge you to produce an authentic Islamic source which verifies this notion.

  31. D Charles
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    The arguments given by the self-proclaimed anti-Jihadist movement – ie certain bloggers – always comes down to quoting Islamic text to prove their point.

    The problem with this process is that they become not just “another group” that have a certain interpretation to justify thier own agenda – but in fact have chosen to support the interpretations of the actual Jihaddist movement themelves as being the legitimate and only correct interpetation.

    We can only make thus one logical conclusion from this – that they are as low and pathetic as the people they condemn.

    Bloggers that follow the above line and such arguments as here are, unless you close your eyes or actually forget in all the excitement, fringe and shunned by the main stream. We should ask ourselves why the academic world, the governments and frankly, the real experts amongst us ignore and shun these bloggers?

    The alternative method is simply to actually take a look at the real facts that are ignored with supreme effort by these ugly fringe-dwellers – context and basic reality. They open the book of history but yet close that same book of every other page. Regardless of the historical events that formed Islam, the fact is that the First Crusade spent its first year butchering European Jews before leaving the continent. That in modern history, all the major massacres have such as the Holocaust, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Rawanda, Congo and Srebrenica were not Muslims. Even the argument of Slavery fails, and these low-lifes forget to point out that the largest amount of modern day slavery is in India and most of Asia and Central black – and Christian – Africa.

    We must ask ourselves the motives and source of funding for such blogs….. let alone why they asume you are all such idiots.

    D Charles QC
    Barrister accredited in England and Spain
    Gibraltar
    (a proud Catholic)

  32. Hamza
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    Bill warner you need to go to school and learn if you realy want to talk about islam. Is a shame to be guilty of fabrications and talk from historical falacies. Shame on u.

  33. Steve
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    Hamza. Calling someone names from across the street and running away doesn’t really fair well for your position. Please explain fabrications?

  34. Steve
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    Hamza. Please explain guilty of fabrication and historical fallacies.

  35. Steve
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    Mr. Busby, I find the bellow remarks from you extremely interesting

    * The fact of the matter is that fundamentalists and extremists only make up a small percent of the Muslim people

    * These folks are just the small percentage of Muslims,

    These two sentences, seemingly to me, hold the entire weight of your argument. Where can one obtain the source of your statement or is this a personal feeling that you are expressing here?

  36. Steve
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    I’m always one for a lively debate. As long as both sides can bring honest substance and factual evidence to the table.

    Saying this I challenge you Mr. Busby to bring factual / historical evidence when you say “there have been just as many conservative Christians that have embarked on crusades and killed in the name of Jesus as Muslim leaders doing the same for Muhammad”

    First let me lay out a basic understanding.

    * Man is sinful. He was born into sin.
    *Next Jesus Christ was a man of peace and love. No where did he ever promote violence in any of his scriptures and
    * thirdly There was no such thing as conservative Christians during the crusades.

    OK that’s the ground work. Man is sinful, Jesus promoted life and love and there were no conservative Christians storming to Jerusalem. OK Got it. Good…..Moving on….

    The crusades began as a reaction to Islam! Millions of Christians were forced to convert or be killed. It was in 732 on French soil that the Muslim terror was stopped at the battle of Tours. Otherwise all of Europe would have been forced or be killed to worship Allah.

    In the 11Th Century reports were filtering back that Christian pilgrims were being molested by the Muslim Seljuk Turks. So the pope gave a speech an army was amassed and Muslims were slaughtered. Needless to say Jesus Christ was evoked by name by a man to kill. No where in scripture does Christ himself promote, elude or hint of violence. Not so with Allah!

    50 years later a key outpost called Edessa fell to the Muslims. This ignited the 2ND crusades. this time St. Bernard of Clairveaux sounded the call to arms. At the time this crusade army was filled with murderers, thieves, sacrilegious cut throat scoundrels. Not what the history books teach or Hollywood shows uhh? They were Christian in name only. Again Man not Christ. See where this is going? Your an inteligent guy right?

    There were other crusades with more blood and gore and evil prevailed from both sides. One side claiming to be Christians and fighting for their lord which by all evidence in scripture was a lie. The other side fighting for their lord which by all evidence in their scripture was the truth.

    One has to realize that in those times there was Christendom and Christianity. I could go on about the Catholic and protestant issue of how one side would not allow anyone other then a priest to read the bible, therefore obtaining power over the masses. remember Man is Sinful by NATURE. Only Christ is pure by perfection.

    See we Christians believe in Christ not other so called Christians. Unfortunately Muslims believe in the word given by Mo. who killed, raped and maimed millions in his moon god idols name and so true belivers of Mo must follow his teachings. his true teachings.

    So when you say Christians kill, rape, slaughter, torture, and plunder in the name of God lets try to keep it real and base your postings on factual understanding and evidence.

    Unless you can show me where Christ commanded his followers to kill, rape, lie, murder and destroy those who oppose him then an apology will be expected. And while your at it why not apologize for your moon god for his teachings of Murder, rape, lying and destruction. We can prove all of those attributes by just reading his scriptures

    Hey….I’m just sayin…..

  37. Paul
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    Busby, you wrote that “[s]econdly, there have been just as many conservative Christians that have embarked on crusades and killed in the name of Jesus as Muslim leaders doing the same for Muhammad.”

    That’s a claim for which you must provide evidence. Furthermore, you need to show that it’s relevant and not, as I suspect, a sophomoric red herring.

    So why did you write it? Probably b/c you knew well that your first objection was shallow and pedantic, so you figured that a backup argument, if we can call it that, was needed. Thus did you employ a childlike complaint, i.e. “someone else, too, does it!”. But the fact that someone else, too, does some deed is irrelevant to judging the morality of that deed.

    “The Middle Eastern youth do not identify with the era of bin Laden and care more about their individual freedoms vice Sharia Law.”

    Then perhaps they are not Muslims at all. Or they are passing through a phase common among people who are raised in the Abrahamic cults. While very young a person is indoctrinated in the cult. Then, during adolescence or young adulthood, the person drifts away. Nevertheless, that person’s thinking has been damaged, and this damaged thinking is carried into middle age, at which point one confronts the hard reality of mortality. (One’s parents, aunts and uncles start dying off. One’s own body shows signs of impermanence such as gray hairs, wrinkles, and mysterious pains and aches. And so on.) Then the person goes back to what is found most familiar and comfortable, i.e. to the cult.

    “The fact of the matter is that the greatest nation on earth has even struggled with liberal democracy when faced with the elitist fear spewing neoconservatives that almost destroyed this country”

    Hyperbolic (“greatest”; “almost destroyed”). Vagueness (“liberal democracy”). Shrill (“spewing”).

    Btw, the the USA is not a liberal democracy, whatever that is, but a republic. In other words, it’s an oligocracy, and the oligocracy does not contemplate any independence from the oligocracy within the territory it claims. Thus, it is not liberal. Further, there is no way to establish an electoral democracy by democratic means. Merely holding a plebiscite, a popularity contest, on the question about whether or not to establish an electoral democracy requires presupposition of the existence of a democracy in which to hold the popularity contest. This is how we know that electoral democracy is a fraud and a mask used to hide the nature of republican government.

  38. Democracyistheanswer
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    OBL loved jihad and scrupulously imitated Mohammed:

    Bukhari:V4B52N54 – The Prophet said, ‘Were it not for the believers who do not want me to leave them, I would certainly and always go forth in army units setting out in Allah’s Cause. I would love to be martyred in Allah’s Cause and then get resurrected and then get martyred, and then get resurrected again and then get martyred and then get resurrected again and then get martyred.’

    Mohammed loved jihad and OBL imitated this love…making him a perfect Moslem.

  39. Democracyistheanswer
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    Mr. Busby,

    You practice Islam à la carte, rather than the Islam of the founder described in Mohammed’s sunna.

    Quotes on jihad and martydom:

    http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.religion.islam/2005-09/msg01294.html

    Only Mohammed is an expert on Islam.

  40. Democracyistheanswer
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    It is fatuous to claim that OBL was not a leader of a legitimate form of Islam. Upon his death, the Muslim Brotherhood issued a statement deploring bin Laden’s death and referred to him by the honorific of “Sheikh””meaning an elder, leader or man of stature.

    Mr. Busby, by rejecting jihad, you have left Islam and are now ‘mubaa’ and a kafir.

  41. Tomy
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    The only islam which exists today is the political islam
    It is at best a political setup which promise authority to its adherents over non-adherents and really is like a underworld gang wherein a person can join, but not leave.
    it want to control everything which a person does, starting from what to wear to what to eat, even how to kill a animal.
    its god understands only one language and pig’s meat can make a muslim to kafir with just one helping.
    if it is such a peaceful religion, then why somalia, yemen, pakistan,etc are not peaceful.
    show me one place which is peaceful because of islam.
    islam just wants to divide the world into muslims and kafirs. it makes all efforts to differentiate a muslim from his neighbor by controlling everything that person does.
    it talks of secularism where it is in minority and want sharia where it is in majority.
    it is so insecure that it doesn’t allow christians to carry even a bible inside saudi arabia, let alone have a church.
    it is time we dispose off this menace, by any means possible. else the world will perish before end of this century.

  42. Democracyistheanswer
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    Dear Mr. Busby,

    Here is a recent reply to a young Moslem who wished to participate in liberal democracy:

    “It is not permissible in Islam to participate in an election which is
    open to secularists and non Muslims as voting for them means
    accepting their manifesto and their secular points of view. You may
    not endorse those but by voting for them, you enable them to do
    what is forbidden by Allah.”

    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101130094418AARBqXx

  43. Brian Busby
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    Mr. Democracy and Mr. Shir,

    @Democracy: There should have been a NOT in the posted sentence above: This would NOT be an accurate statement because bin Laden was not accepted as an authoritative Islamic leader, cleric, or Imam and did not have the authority to issue fatwa. The comparison between the Team B analysis and the author’s article are only equivocal because of the over exaggeration of the threat.
    @Democracy: Nobody is debating whether or not there are Muslims that take a fundamental view of Islam, Muhammad or the Quran. The debate is if they are representative of Islamic community. The fact of the matter is that fundamentalists and extremists only make up a small percent of the Muslim people. So, I have no doubt there are Imams and religious scholars that do not believe in the right to vote, and that it is a religious duty of all Muslims to conduct jihad. These folks are just the small percentage of Muslims, whereas most believe in defensive jihad or the internal struggle vice terrorism or violent overthrow of Western civilization.
    @Shir: The Imam’s words were clear and so are mine: He does not represent all Muslims. Your concerns about Syria, Pakistan and Iran are valid. The President appears to make this one of his highest priorities in the 2010 National Security Strategy on page 3. The leap on the ease of creating or obtaining a “nuke in a suitcase” is also overstating the nature of the threat. We should be concerned of the threat of nuclear proliferation, but your scenario is just more fear mongering without truly understanding the nuclear threat.
    @Shir: As far as your time issue goes, I guess the analysis (fear mongering and overstating) of the Russian threat by Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and Cheney in 1976 was justified and we should not have waited for the fall in 1991? I am trying to point out that the author of the article is overstating the threat as did the Team B analysis. We should still maintain our vigilance, but should stray away from overstating the facts or threat or else we may end up in another unjustified conflict – oh wait we did that in March of 2003.
    Anyway, you two enjoy spreading the fear with the author, or you can educate yourself on the threat and quit spreading your bias.
    VR
    Brian Busby

  44. Democracyistheanswer
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    Dear Mr. Busby,
    You have committed a non-sequitur. You have ignored the thesis of this essay. Moslems all agree on the virtue of aggressive jihad…but not on the way to do it. Do you need a caliph or is self-directed jihad correct too?

    The question Dr. Warner has asked is this: ‘Is Mohammed the authentic voice of Islam…or is the modern à la carte Moslem the authentic voice?’

    Dr. Warner argues that anyone who imitates Mohammed is an authentic Moslem. Anyone who digresses from Mohammed’s actions is a ‘munafiq’…a hypocrite…one who practices Islam à la carte, rather than authentic Islam. They intentionally omit jihad.

    OBL did not leave out jihad, but meticulously gave it the same emphasis that Mohammed did.

    Islam is eternal and perfect, thus the authentic Islam of Mohammed may not be changed without committing blasphemy.

    Self-directed jihad was taught by Mohammed. Mohammed is the only authority on Islam.

  45. Shir
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    @ Brian Busby,
    I agree with your expose of the twisting of the word ‘leader’, The Imam’s quote is unequivocal though.
    And Obama chose HIS words carefully so that he could AVOID the accusation of UBL not being a Muslim. Because he knows darn well that he was.

    In a world with nukes in Pakistan, being sought in Iran and Syria and with the possibilty that ‘the wrong kind of Muslims’ could waltz into a city with a nuke in a suitcase (more likely several madmen, several cases and several cities) you are complacent to the verge of dangerous if you think you have ‘time’. And there is no guarantee whatsover that the democracy you see emerging in the M.E. is nothing more than wishful thinking.

    Shir.

  46. Democracyistheanswer
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    Jihad is the ‘hump of the camel’…the highest deed in Islam.

    Any Moslem who omits jihad is thus failing in his duty and not a ‘good’ Moslem.

    -Abu Hurairah narrated that a man came to the Messenger of Allaah and said : “Guide me to an action equal to jihaad”, to which the Messenger replied : “I do not find one”.

    Those who deny jihad is essential Islam are lacking knowledge of Islam or they are using taqiyya (sacralized lying) to deceive the infidels.

    Moslems who knowlingly omit jihad are practicing ‘Islam à la carte.’

  47. Democracyistheanswer
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    If Mohammed was wrong about JIHAD, he was wrong about Islam, since Islam’s most important action is jihad.

    Only jihad guarantees entrance into paradise and produces all of paradise’s sensual rewards.

  48. Obama meant that Osama wasn’t a real Muslim, like he is :)

    Fly with the eagles by reading the Historyscoper’s Islam Watch Blog.

    http://tinyurl.com/islamwatch

  49. Then why the fuss about the type of funeral bin laden got? Obama should just say, “His own family refused the corpse and we figured this sea burial was good enough for him.”

  50. Brian Busby
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    To Retort:

    The basis upon which this article is written is inaccurate, thus the article is just political rambling and rhetoric. Obama stated that bin Laden was “not a muslim leader” vice not being a muslim. This would be an accurate statement because bin Laden was not accepted as an authoritative Islamic leader, cleric, or Imam and did not have the authority to issue fatwa. Furthermore, the words of one U.S. Imam does not equate to the voice of the rest of the Islamic world. The fact of the matter is that most Muslims were ashamed of bin Laden and did not like how his brand of Islam brought undue criticism upon the rest of the Islamic world.

    Secondly, there have been just as many conservative Christians that have embarked on crusades and killed in the name of Jesus as Muslim leaders doing the same for Muhammad. It is sad that articles like this are propagated to perpetuate the hate between the two cultures. Yes, I said cultures vice religion, because that is exactly what has happened. The Islamic Religion has been confused with Middle Eastern culture by both the West and the Middle East extremists and fundamentalists. Recent events in the Middle East and North Africa show that they are evolving as in Fukuyama’s theories on the birth and evolution of liberal democracies. The Middle Eastern youth do not identify with the era of bin Laden and care more about their individual freedoms vice Sharia Law. The future will show that North Africa and the Middle East are centuries behind the West in development of government that puts the people ahead of the state or autocratic rule.

    Even the United States has struggled with this from the Bush, Wolfowitz, Cheney, and Rumsfeld regime. One only has to look at the history of political progression of the group from the 1976 “Team B” analysis project. This group has done nothing but spread fear amongst the people for their own neoconservative views that were based on nothing more than opinion and exaggerated facts. The fact of the matter is that the greatest nation on earth has even struggled with liberal democracy when faced with the elitist fear spewing neoconservatives that almost destroyed this country. We should be less judging of the Islamic areas of the globe and give them time, because eventually they will find their way to liberal democracy that we so fortunately were born into.

    Proud to be an American
    BB

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