Islam Is Not Part of Our Civilization

Islam Is Not Part of Our Civilization

Obama said at the latest White House Iftar dinner:

Like so many faiths, Islam has always been part of our American family, and Muslim Americans have long contributed to the strength and character of our country, in all walks of life.

These words have no basis in fact. Islam is not part of our civilization because its foundational principles are opposite to ours. Our civilization is built on the foundation of critical thought (how we think) and the Golden Rule (ethics). Islam is built on submission (authoritative thought) and ethical dualism.

Let’s compare the principles, of these different thought systems, starting with authoritative thought and critical thought. Critical thought (also: analytic thought, scientific thought) is the necessary reasoning or intellectual basis for our culture of democracy. Critical thought is objective--no matter who does the work, they get the same results. It is fact-based, uses cause and effect, and is intellectual, not emotional. Critical thought’s tie into morals is that you don’t lie or cheat about data.

Let’s look at some authoritative reasoning. Authoritative reasoning is based on expert opinion and asserts its truth by power. It is so, because the Establishment says it is so.

The Meccan Koran, the early Koran, has one new idea—Mohammed is the prophet of Allah. (The ideas found in the Koran are derivative.) The proof of Mohammed’s prophecy is repetition of “Mohammed is the prophet” and what happens if you don’t accept that. The reasoning is circular—Mohammed is the prophet of Allah, because Allah says so. (Actually, the archangel of Allah says so.) How do we know what Allah says? Mohammed tells us what Allah says.

The Koran of Medina (the later Koran) contains one new idea—if you don’t believe that Mohammed is the prophet of Allah, then you can be murdered in jihad. If you are not persuaded, then you can be eliminated. Now that is authoritative reasoning.

More on authoritative reasoning can be found in the Sharia. The Sharia says that apostasy (leaving Islam) is a capital offense. And what entails apostasy?

• To be sarcastic about Allah or any verse in the Koran
• To deny the consensus of the Islamic scholars
• To deny that Islam is to be the world’s only religion
• To be sarcastic about Sharia

And people say that Islam just needs to be reformed. Good luck on dealing with the authoritative rules of thought and reform. It is not that you are wrong, you are dead wrong. Want more examples of authoritative thought? Try Salman Rushdie, the author of the Satanic Verses, a novel. Islam’s reaction to the novel was a death fatwa. When the Mohammed cartoons were published, people died in riots.

So far in America what happens if you differ with Establishment thought about Islam, you are called names, such as bigot or hater, and insulted as a punishment. However, the Establishment keeps flirting with the expanded versions of hate speech being criminalized. Hate speech is speech that the Establishment doesn’t like.

Critical thought does not deal with punishment, just cause and effect along with Aristotelian logic. If you lose an argument under the rules of critical thought, you have had a learning experience, not a life threatening experience. Nor do insults and threats play a part in critical thought.

Now to ethics, the Golden Rule is that we should treat ALL others as we would be treated. This is a unitary ethic, one rule for all peoples. Islam does not see it that way. Islam has one set of ethics for the Muslim and another set for the Kafir. The Hadith and the Koran are very clear that a Muslim is a brother to all other Muslims. A Muslim is a brother to any Muslim before he is the brother to any member of his Kafir blood family.

Look at Mohammed’s ethics. Mohammed is the divine human prototype, the perfect man, as it says in 91 Koranic verses. How did Mohammed treat his neighbor? In Medina he gave neighboring tribes the chance to become become Muslims and to submit to Islam. If they did not, he attacked them. Submit or die--no Golden Rule.

Mohammed repeatedly said that Muslims should lie to Kafirs if it would advance Islam—pure ethical dualism. Here we have the hadith:

Bukhari 5,59,369 Mohammed asked, “Who will kill Ka’b, the enemy of Allah and Mohammed?”
Bin Maslama rose and responded, “O Mohammed! Would it please you if I killed him?”
Mohammed answered, “Yes.”
Bin Maslama then said, “Give me permission to deceive him with lies so that my plot will succeed.”
Mohammed replied, “You may speak falsely to him.”…

Our Constitution’s Bill of Rights is an expansion on the Golden Rule. We eliminated slavery based on the Golden Rule. Do we live up to the Golden Rule on every occasion? No, but that does not diminish its guidance, because we can use the Golden Rule to criticize those that fail to meet it.

To sum it all up: our civilization is based on the principles of the Golden Rule and critical thought. Islam is based on dualistic ethics and authoritative thought. There is no compromise between the opposites of the Golden Rule and dualistic ethics. There is no half-way between authoritative thought and critical thought. Islam’s principle of submission means that only active resistance can let us survive.

We have a 1400 year history of the interaction between Islam and Kafir nations. The data matches the theory. Centuries after Islam enters the culture, the host culture is annihilated--see Turkey. There is no compatibility between Islam and us. Islam is not now, nor can it ever be, a part of our civilization. It is the final goal of Islam to annihilate all Kafir civilizations. Its first stage of--we are just like you, only different—should be seen for what it is. No amount of preaching by apologists can change Islam’s political doctrine and history.


Bill Warner, Director, Center for the Study of Political Islam
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"Mr Warner, I'd like to remind you about Molly Norris. Ms Norris is the American cartoonist who had a thought and is now in hiding due to death threats from Muslims who were offended at the thought of something called "Everybody Draw Mohammad Day." An American citizen had a thought, and has spent more than a year hiding in fear for her life.
So far in America, Islam is a real threat...a threat to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. And thoughts."

GMA214 — August 25, 2011 @ 7:33 PM

"Hello Bill,
Thank you for your excellent analysis.

I would like to share one additional thought. --
I think that most people don't realize that there is a difference between individual psychology and the mob psychology of the same people.
There are few rare people who truly are individuals. This is a rare level of spiritual development, perhaps one per ten thousand.
The overwhelming majority of people are ruled by their group, this includes their values, perceptions, beliefs and behaviors.
This explains how seemingly normal individuals, can become worse than animals during riots, pogroms, lynches, mobs looting, etc,

This also explains rare heroism, of the revolutionary soldiers of the Spanish civil war, or the fighters of the Warsaw uprising who run to the German tank often succeeding in smash a bottle of gasoline into their air intake. – At that time, such behavior was considered normal by their peers. After the war, the same Poles and Spaniards did not show any signs of extraordinary courage because the group mentality changed.

Isolated Muslims living among non-Muslims, to high degree adopt to the surrounding culture and often are good citizens.

Unfortunately once the Muslims live surrounded by other Muslims, they are ruled by the Muslim group mentality. Hence the isolated Muslims can be good members of a free, democratic society, yet no Muslim-majority society can be free or democratic.
This explains why none of the 50+ Muslim countries managed to become truly democratic, yet, in America many Muslims are good citizens.

The change of group mentality takes centuries. Many people in the Muslim countries are aware of the value of democracy, many are intelligent and educated, yet, their group is not ready for democracy.

By the way, Russia too, is not ready for democracy. However Russians living in democratic countries are perfectly good members of those societies. The difference is that the underlying meta-program of the Russian mentality does not prevent them from assimilating and becoming cultural Anglo-Saxons with Russian accent."

Viiit — August 25, 2011 @ 9:52 PM

"Yes - two civilisation are at war, and ours is losing. It does not have to be this way. Our civilisation, based on the ideals of love and truthfulness, should be winning. The civilisation based on lies and hatred should be losing. But ignorance of Islam allows it to spread and overcome even those who want to do good. To save our civilisation the main thing (after learning how to love) is to learn about Islam. That means we have to learn about the man Muhamed. When you learn about his life you are innoculated against Islam."

WeMustResist — August 25, 2011 @ 10:38 PM

"Then why doesn't someone do something about it. God has promised us His word will not return to Him empty. We have the Truth so why didn't we bomb those countries with Bibles in their own language. Many are Islam out of ignorance. If we don't preach the word, they can't hear it. Ah ,but to preach the Word to them would cause martyrs....so....better to die for a true cause than a false one."

Charlotte Vogel — August 26, 2011 @ 6:21 AM

"When a counterfeiter makes a bogus $100 bill, he can duplicate the easy parts satisfactorily. Counterfeit bills are pawned off on unsuspecting people who only look at the superficial similarities. What counterfeiters cannot duplicate are the subtle and difficult aspects of a $100 bill –the detail in the engraving, the fibers in the paper, and the watermarks.

The distinguishing “watermark” between the Jehovah-god of the Judeo-Christian faith and the Allah of Islam has to do with the relationship between God and man. That relationship is characterized by unconditional love, or lovingkindness (Hebrew: checed ). There are many references to this unconditional love in the Old Testament:

The LORD says, “Wise men should not boast of their wisdom, nor strong men of their strength, nor rich men of their wealth. If anyone wants to boast, he should boast that he knows and understands me, because my love is constant (checed) and I do what is just and right. These are the things that please me.” (Jeremiah 9:23-24) (See also Psalm 36:7 and 10, Psalm 69:16, Psalm 138:2, Psalm 143:8, and Isaiah 63:7).

The Christian statement of God’s unfailing love is most poignant in 1 John 4:7 to21, where Love is mentioned 21 times in just 14 verses. Here is just a sampling:
Dear friends, let us love one another, because love comes from God. Whoever loves is a child of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God, for God is love. . . . Dear friends, if this is how God loved us, then we should love one another. No one has ever seen God, but if we love one another, God lives in union with us, and his love is made perfect in us. . . There is no fear in love; perfect love drives out all fear. So then, love has not been made perfect in anyone who is afraid, because fear has to do with punishment. . . . We love because God first loved us. If someone says he loves God, but hates his brother, he is a liar. For he cannot love God, whom he has not seen if he does not love his brother, whom he has seen.

Abraham was called a “friend of God.” (See 2 Chronicles 2:27,Isaiah 41:8, and James 2:23.) This is the relationship with God that both Jews and Christians experience. Jesus the Messiah told his followers: “You are my friends if you do what I command. I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father (Jehovah-God) I have made known to you.“ (John15:14-15)

There is no parallel concept of lovingkindness or a knowable God in Islam. A sampling of quotes from the Quran describes quite the opposite: “Allah does not love the unbelievers.” (Surah 3:32) “Are the faithful unaware that, had He pleased, Allah could have guided all mankind? . . None can guide those whom Allah has led astray. . . Allah abrogates and confirms what He pleases. (Surah 13:30-38) “Say: ‘I cannot tell whether the scourge you are threatened with is imminent, or whether Allah has set it for a far-off day. He alone has knowledge of what is hidden: His secrets He reveals to none, except to the apostles whom He has chosen.’” (Surah72:28) Allah’s love is always conditional upon the behavior of the person. Islam cannot counterfeit God’s checed because that is very difficult to reproduce – particularly in an ideology that is steeped in violence, hatred, misogyny, and greed. So people who are looking to see if Islam is a true religion in the family of Abrahamic faiths or a counterfeit one need to focus on God’s checed because when that “watermark” is absent it is proof-positive that the ideology is not about the Jehovah-God. It’s bogus."

Chris — August 26, 2011 @ 11:12 AM

"It sickens me to read references to Jesus, Lord,etc. when the problem is that "I talked to God and here are the rules". Muslums cause problems because they practice the word of God, why do Christians think that their made up stuff is better. Leave it all behind.
Of all the gods that have existed in the past, thousands, we are now atheistic towards, (no more Zeus) there only a handfull remaining.

Christian talking about Jesus legitimize the evil Mohamed by legitimizing that which is made up."

Kevin — August 26, 2011 @ 1:54 PM

"The affinity of hard left totalitarianism and islamic authoritarianism has accelerated the advance islam/sharia in the West.

The suppression of critical thought and free speech through poor (left) education and "PC/hate speech" pressure toward conformity is retarding our defense of the West.

Our wonderful culture is accommodating of new and alluring ideas. However, the superficial nature of our understanding is crippling our response. Bill, you are in the company of George Washington and Geert Wilders in defense of liberty and the world owes you a debt of gratitude."

Civilus Defendus — August 26, 2011 @ 2:08 PM

"This analysis ist spot-on. A german sociologist, Manfred Kleine-Hartlage described the crucial difference this way: Islamic ethis are not just different but the total opposite of western (judeo-christian) ethics in 3 regards:
ethic dualism, the re-introduction of human sacrifice and its call for group narcissism.
what is BAD in Christianity, Judaism, also secular society, in MANDATED in Islam.

But: Critical thinking fails us too whenever our religious texts are taken for anything but human fabrication. Thank you Kevin for your comment."

Mme. Haram — August 27, 2011 @ 1:12 AM

"Mirror fight islam is the only way.
Whatever their odeology says about something should be apply to them even in "Western" countries. We will then not lie to each other, but we can lie to islamists. We will not have the right to kill each other in order to maintain peace, but we will have the right to kill islamists if they get in the way of our peace, we will cut their little willies" off when they rape, chop their hands when they steal, and out of all of this don't blame me, it is what they believe in.
Mirror fight is the answer, you fight a 1500 years old political ideology only with a 1500 years old Mirror Fight methods.
You cannot fight islam with our courts, we are DEFENDLESS. We are loosing, everyday.
John Reflex, the Mirror Fighter."

John Reflex — August 27, 2011 @ 6:14 AM

"In response as to the question; "How can our civilization win?", we need to stop criminalizing those who exercise free speech. We need to stop practicing politically correct backwards justice and logic. I wrote a paper that included some examples of this and in it I outlined three things that happens when someone violently imposes an ideology on a society. 1.) The blame for the violence is never their own even though they are the ones who act violently. 2.) The person who exercises his or her rights to free speech is criminalized and used as a scapegoat to blame for the all of the unrest. 3.) Authorities may have to detain you or keep you under watch, not those carrying out the violence or threats, for the sake of your own safety. Islam isn’t the only thing that used this approach. Organized crime syndicates, drug trafficking organizations and illicit activity in general once it’s grown to a certain point, the local authorities find it much less of a hassle to restrict your freedoms and force you to adapt to the criminal’s presence and activities than to actually go out and arrest those who should be held accountable.
That Danish cartoonist who did the sketches, Geert Wilders and Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff of Austria are not criminals however they have been criminalized or people have attempted to criminalize them because of their criticism of this belief system. The writer of this column was right on the money in saying that, "SO FAR in America what happens if you differ with Establishment thought about Islam, you are called names, such as bigot or hater, and insulted as a punishment." Yea, SO FAR. If people don't think this is coming our way they need to take their heads out of the sand and open their eyes."

PatriotX — August 27, 2011 @ 8:37 AM

"Correct. Having lived and worked several years on the Arabian Peninsula and North Africa, group think in Islam is really the only think. Islam discourages inquiry, thinking out of the box, going against the grain, critical thought, and in fact punishes it. It's one reason state-run media can so easily convince its Muslim citizens that Bush and the Mossad were in cahoots in 9/11 to turn the West against Islam; why the West's actions in Afganistan and Iraq are not pre-emptive and defensive, but an actual war on Islam itself; why all the terror in the world can be directed to grievances against the West in some way or another, usually Israel and America's support of it."

Don Goss — August 27, 2011 @ 8:51 AM

"Knowing the existential threat posed by Islam, it is vital that all Kafir nations band together in a grand Coalition of Kafir Nations to enact the following counter-Islamic measures, to ensure their cultural and national survival, against the relentless war that is being waged against them by "the foot soldiers of Allah" worldwide:

1. Declare and engage in unconditional war against Islam, wherever it may exist.

2. Declare (once and for all) that Islam is not a legitimate religion; rather, that Islam is a homophobic and intolerant 7th Century totalitarian ideology of hatred, deceit, misogyny, pedophilia, anti-semitism, slavery, terrorism, murder, rape, humiliation, control, domination, submission, and the annihilator of all Kafir cultures and nations.

3. Declare Islamic law (Sharia law) illegal and not compatible with Western democratic values.

4. Deport all Muslims, forcefully if necessary. If a Muslim has gained legal citizenship, strip them of their citizenship prior to deportation.

5. Stop the legal immigration of Muslims. Stop Muslims from transiting across national borders into Kafir nations for any reason. e.g. tourism, work, visitation, etc.

6. Stop the building of new mosques and systematically dismantle all existing mosques.

7. Formally, re-educate the general populations to the truth about Islam, not the sugar-coated and whitewashed Islamic propaganda that permeates existing educational systems. e.g. that Islam is a "religion of peace that has been hijacked by a few radicals from within.""

Armed Infidel — August 27, 2011 @ 10:58 AM

"With all due respect to Kevin and Mme. Haram, the civilizational debate at hand is not about the existence of God. God has a firm foundation in the U.S., in the Declaration of Independence, the Pledge of Allegiance, and as imprinted on all of our money. The question is whether Allah is the same as the Jehovah-God that is reflected throughout the U.S. history and expressions.

What legitimizes the Judeo-Christian faith are not the human authors of its sacred documents no more than Muhammad the Quran, but rather the "fruit" produced by the faithful. Show me any ideology that has produced more beneficial and humanitarian fruit for thousands of years, and I will surely be interested."

Chris — August 27, 2011 @ 12:40 PM

"Bill Warner stop frightening your readers about Islam without reason. Yes, in Islam we submit totally to Allah and worship Him alone without associating with him a son or any other deities. Allah is One and not three in one or one in three. Pure monotheism is our religion, and Muslims are the only monotheists living on the surface of the earth today. After that we are entitled to live freely on earth to build it and furnish it with a beautiful civilization based on the teachings of the Koran - the last divine revelation to mankind - and the Sunna of the Prophet.

The Islamic civilization is based on divine ethics and virtues stated in the Koran and said or done by the Prophet. What is so peculiar about that?

Why do you neglect the fact that Islam built over the centuries tremendous and fantastic civilizations that took the world from darkness to light. Do you deny the Islamic civilizations built by the rightly guided Caliphs, the Omiades civilizaation in Syria and Spain, the Abbassite civilization in Baghdad,, the Fatimi civilization in Egypt, the Turk civilization in Europe, Middle East and Africa, The Islamic civilization in India, Indonesia etc.

All these very successful civilizations were principally based on the kind and generous teachings of the Koran and the Prophet of Islam.

Since the onset of Islam more than 1400 years ago, and it has established the foundation on which the life of man on earth must be based. This foundation was the pillars on which the successful Islamic civilizations were built.

You talk about western civlization and that Islamic civilization is not a part of it? Without the science of Muslims during 800 years in Andalusia, you wouldn't have seen the civilization you are seeing nowadays in your country or in Europe . If you disagree with me in this statement, I might regretfully say that you are totally ignorant of the Muslim epock in Spain.

In a barren land, in Europe sleeping in darkness, the Muslims have sown the seeds of progress and you were the ones who reaped the fruit.

If you know Bill Warner that the world is revolving, and that history does not proceed in a uniform manner, and when a matter is completed it starts to grow samaller, then it is not coincidence that the Arabs came to your world and left. It was the will of Allah that they came there to teach you through their science and religion how to separate the true from the false, and knowledge from ignorance.

The Islamic civilization is principally based on Koranic ethics and virtues. It is also based on the teachigs of the Prophet. Advancement in technology and building modern institutions is not civilization in the true sence, but rather additions to a materialistic civilization that might collapse due to the lack of ethics that is supposedly governing the behavior of the individual. And this is what we are seeing now in America and Europe.

Your erroneous talk about the Islamic civilization indicates clearly that you don't know how to deduce from the Koranic verses the real meaning Allah wants to deliver to His servants. Maybe because you are ignorant in the Arabic language or you read the translation of the Koran in order to find a mistake (a matter that will never happen of course) in order to discredit the perfect religion as you always do. Misguiding your reader is a terrible sin you will pay dearly for on the Day of Resurrection.

Now allow me to show you the foundation on which the Islamic nations or empires depend on throughout the ages. Foundations supported by Koranic verses and the sayings of the Prophet. Divine foundations man - made western constitution can ever match.

Among the principles and bases of the Islamic civlization are the following:

1- Right to life
Human life is sacred in Islam and cannot be spilled without justification. If anyone violates this sanctity of human blood by killing a soul without right, the Koran equates it to the killing of the entire mankind.

…Whoso slays a soul not to retaliate for a soul slain, or for corruption done in the land, should be as if he had slain mankind altogether; and whoso gives life to a soul, shall be as if he had given life to mankind altogether… (Al-Maidah, 32).

Say: 'Come I will recite what your Lord has forbidden you: that you associate not anything with Him, and to be good to your parents, and not to slay your children because of poverty; We will provide you and them; and that you approach not any indecency outward or inward, and that you slay not the soul Allah has forbidden, except by right. That He has charged you with; haply you will understand (Al-An' am, 151).

As indicated in the above verse, homicide is considered as the greatest sin only next to polytheism. The tradition of the Prophet reads:

"The greatest sins are to associate something with Allah (son, idols, angels, saints …etc) and to kill human beings."

In all these verses of the Koran and the traditions of the Prophet the word 'soul' (nafs) has been used in general terms without any distinction or particularization which might reveal that the persons belonging to one's nation, the people of a particular race or religion should not be killed. The injunction applies to all human beings and the destruction of human life is totally prohibited.

It is rather surprising however, that in the Talmud, the religious book of the Jews, there is the view that if a non-Israelite is drowning and you tried to save him then you are a sinner! If the Israelites regard it necessary to save the life of a human being at all, it should be the life of an Israelite. As far as other people are concerned, according to this view, they do not seem to be human enough to deserve protection of their souls. In their literature the concept of 'Goyim' for which the English word 'Gentile' and the Arabic word 'ummi' (illiterate) is used, is that they enjoy no human rights; human rights are reserved only for the children of Israel.

The Koran has mentioned this belief of the Israelites and quotes the Jews saying:

That, because they say: 'There is no way over us as to the common people. They speak falsehood against Allah while they know it (Al-Imran, 75).

The Prophet also said regarding the dhimmis (non-Muslim citizens living in Muslim states):

"One who kills a man under covenant (dhimmi) will not even smell the fragrance of Paradise."

2- Right of ownership

Along with security of life, Islam has with equal clarity conferred the right of security of ownership of property. In the address which the Prophet delivered on the occasion of the Farwell Hajj (pilgrimage) he said:

"Your lives and properties are forbidden to one another till you meet your Lord on the Day of Resurrection."

Everyone is free to own property and earn his living. As we read in the Koran:

…Unto men a fortune from that which they have earned, and unto women a fortune from that which they have earned…" (An-Nisa, 32).

The Koran goes so far as to declare that the taking of the people's possessions or property is completely prohibited unless they are acquired by lawful means as permitted in the laws of Allah, the Koran. The Koran categorally declares:

And eat not up your property among yourselves in vanity, nor seek by it to gain the hearing of the judges that you may knowingly devour a portion of the property of others wrongfully (Al-Baqarahh, 188).



3- The right to basic necessities of life

The essence of Islam is to serve Allah and do acts of charity for poor Muslims. Anyone who is suffering from deprivation has the right in the property and wealth of the Muslims; irrespective of the fact whether he belongs to Islam or any other religion. Allah has established this right over Muslims which they have to honor and respect.

It is not piety, that you turn your faces to the east and to the west (in prayers), but true piety is to believe in Allah, and the Last Day, the angels, the Book, and the Prophets, to give of one's substance, however cherished, to kinsmen, and orphans, the needy, the traveler, beggars, and to ransom the slave, to perform the prayer, to pay the alms. And they who fulfill their covenant when they have engaged in a covenant, and endure with fortitude misfortune, hardship and peril, these are they who are true in their faith, these are the truly god-fearing (Al-Baqarahh, 177).

Serve Allah, and associate naught with Him (in worship). Be kind to your parents, and the near kinsman, and to orphans, and to the needy, and to the neighbor who is of kin, and to the neighbor who is a stranger, and to the companion at your side, and to the traveler, and to that your own hand own (slaves), Surely Allah loves not the proud and boastful (An-Nisa, 36).

Surely the god-fearing shall be among gardens and fountains taking whatsoever their Lord has given them; they were good doers before that. Little of the night would they slumber, and in the mornings they would ask for forgiveness; and the beggar and the outcast had a share in their wealth (Adh-Dhariyat 15-19).

4- Right to respect

The Koran considers all human beings high and noble and are worthy of respect:

We have honored the children of Adam and carried them on land and sea, and provided them with good things, and preferred them greatly over many of those We created (Al-Isrâ', 70).

There is no fault in Allah's creation. Allah gave to man the purest and best nature. The Koran declares that human beings have been made in the best of moulds:

We indeed created man in the fairest stature (At-Teen, 4).

Allah honored human beings because of all creation they alone chose to accept the trust (free will to choose between good and evil). The heavens and the earth refused to carry the trust lest they should betray it, but man was less fair to himself, and carried it. Man's duty is therefore to preserve the pattern on which Allah has made him. By breathing something of His own spirit into him, and making him His vicegerent, Allah exalted him in rank and position even higher than the angels, for the angels had to make obeisance to Him. Man's position as vicegerent also gives him will and discretion, and if he uses them wrongly he falls even lower than the beasts. If man rebels against Allah, and follows after evil, he will be abased to the lowest possible position. For Judgment is sure. Those who use their faculties aright and follow Allah's law will reach the high and noble destiny intended for them (paradise). However, those who rebel and break His law will be severely punished in the Hereafter. Allah is just and wise; therefore, the righteous have nothing to fear, but the evil ones cannot escape punishment. Thus because man has been endowed with the ability to think, to have knowledge of right and wrong, to do the good and avoid the evil, and on account of the promise which is contained in being human, namely, the potential to be Allah's vicegerent on earth, the humanness of all human beings is to be respected and considered to be an end in itself.

The Prophet said:

"He is not a believer whose neighbor cannot feel safe from his harm."

5- Protection of honor

In the address delivered on the occasion of the Farewell Hajj, the Prophet did not only prohibit the life and property of the Muslims to one another, but also any encroachment upon their honor, respect and chastity.

No believer, man or woman, should laugh at another in contempt, nor call each other with nick names, a pagan custom below the dignity of Islam. The Koran teaches that men must not laugh at other men with the intention of producing a specified deriding or ridiculing. It may be that the laughees are better than the laughers in many aspects. Similarly, nor women should laugh at other women. Moreover, Muslims are required not to defame one another nor nickname each other by insulting or repulsive incorrect names. Such like persons are guilty of wrongful actions.

Muslims are required to avoid suspicion and the conjecture of the existence of something evil or wrong without proof, nor play a spy upon each other, or peer into the nature of other people's actions nor slander one another, by speaking evil or falsehood or speaking maliciously behind his or her back. This will be like eating the flesh of his dead brother.

O believers eschew much suspicion; some suspicion is a sin. And do not spy, neither backbite one another; would any of you like to eat the flesh of his brother dead? You would abominate it. And fear you Allah; for Allah is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful (Al-Hujurat, 12).

O believers let not any people scoff at another people who may be better than they; neither let women scoff at women who may be better than themselves. And find not fault with one another, neither revile one another by nicknames. An evil name is ungodliness after belief. And whoso repents not, those – they are the evildoers (Al-hujurat, 11).

The Koran also states that those who engage in malicious scandal-mongering and love to spread indecency among the people will be grievously punished in both this world and the next.

On the return from the expedition of the Banu Mustaliq, when the march back to Medina was ordered, Aisha the Prophet's wife was not in her tent, having gone to search for a valuable necklace she had dropped. As her litter was veiled, it was not noticed that she was not in it, until the army reached the next halt. Meanwhile, finding the camp had gone, she sat down to rest, hoping that someone would come back to fetch her when her absence was noticed. It was night and she fell asleep. Next morning she was found by Safwan, who has been left behind in the camp expressly to pick up anything inadvertently left behind. He put her on his camel and brought her, leading the camel on foot. Rumor of improper intimacy was propagated by the hypocrites and the enemies of Islam, a rumor which caused real pain to the Prophet and to those related until Allah revealed Aisha's innocence and exposed the hypocrites and enemies of the faith.

Those who came with the slander are a band of you; do not reckon it evil for you; rather it is good for you. Every man of them shall have the sin that he has earned charged to him; and whosoever of them took upon himself the greater part of it, him there awaits a mighty chastisement.
Why, when you heard it, did the believing men and women not of their own account think good thoughts, and say, "This is a manifest calumny?
Why did they not bring four witnesses against it? But since they did not bring the witnesses, in Allah's sight they are the liars.
But for Allah's bounty to you and His mercy in the present world and the world to come there would have visited you for your mutterings a mighty chastisement.
When you received it on your tongues, and uttering with your mouths things of which you had no knowledge, and reckoned it a light thing, and with Allah it was a mighty thing.
And why, when you heard it, did you not say,' It is not for us to speak about this; glory be to thee! This is a mighty calumny?'
Allah admonishes you, that you shall never repeat the like of it again, if you are believers. Allah makes clear to you the signs; and Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.
Those who love, that indecency should be spread among those who believe, there await them a painful chastisement in the present world and the world to come; and Allah knows, and you know not (An-Nur 11-19).

There are three things here reprobated by way of spiritual teaching: (1) if others speak an evil word, that is no reason why you should allow it to defile your tongue; (2) if you get a thought or suspicion which is not based on your certain knowledge, do not give it currency by giving it expression; and (3) others may think it is a small matter to speak lightly of something which blasts a person's character or reputation, but in the eyes of Allah it is a most serious matter, particularly when it involves the honor and reputation of pious women (2).

Allah abhors words uttered in immoral manner and detests open contempt cast at others unless it is redressing grievances.

Allah likes not the shouting of evil words unless man has been wronged; Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing. If you do good openly or in secret or pardon an evil, surely Allah is All-Pardoning, All-Powerful (An-Nisa 148, 149).

In Islam woman's chastity has to be respected and protected under all circumstances, whether she is Muslim or non-Muslim.

Those who slander chaste women in wedlock that are heedless but believing shall be accursed in the present world and the world to come; and there awaits them a mighty chastisement (An-Nur, 23).

The limbs and faculties of the slanderers will stand as witnesses against them in the Day of Judgment:

On the day when their tongues, their hands and their feet shall testify against them as to their actions. Upon that day Allah will pay them in full their just due, and they shall know that Allah is the manifest Truth (An-Nur 24, 25).

The great caliph Omar said: "It is only because of Islam that we gained 'Izzah' (honor, dignity, and pride) and if we seek ('Izzah) outside of Islam, Allah will humiliate us."

6- Brotherhood

The enforcement of the Muslim brotherhood is the greatest social ideal of Islam. On it was based the Prophet's Sermon at his last pilgrimage, and Islam cannot be completely realized until this ideal is achieved.

The believers indeed are brothers; so set things right between your two brothers, and fear Allah; haply so you will find mercy (Al-Hujurat, 10).

Allah also says in the Koran:

O mankind, We have created you male and female, and appointed you races and tribes, that you may know one another. Surely the noblest among you in the sight of Allah is the most god-fearing of you. Allah is All-Knowing, All-Aware (Al-Hujurat, 13).

This Koranic verse begins with 'O mankind', meaning it is not only addressing the Arabs but all of humanity. It also indicates that mankind is all the same because it has been created from one man and one woman. It shows that all human beings are created through the same process, not in a manner in which some are created with a better mechanism than others. The verse clearly shows that Allah is the One who made human beings into races and tribes. These differences are rather a sign from Allah indicating His Omnipotence.

And of His signs is the creation of the heavens and earth and the variety of your tongues, and colors. Surely in that are signs for all living beings (Ar-Rûm, 22).

Islam, however, limits the purpose of these distinctions to differentiation and knowing each other, and not to tribalism, racism, nationalism, and colonialism. The only source of preference or greatness among human beings is not on a national or group level, but it is at the individual level. Individual piety is the only thing that makes a person better in the sight of Allah than all others, no matter what nation or country they are part of. This only criterion of preference, god-fearing, is not measurable by human beings but by only Allah who knows the real intentions of His servants and everything they do. This ideal brotherhood rooted in Islamic teaching made the notable Historian A.J. Toynbee states:

"The extinction of race consciousness as between Muslims is one of the outstanding achievements of Islam, and in the contemporary world there is, as it happens, a crying need for the propagation of this Islamic virtue."

A man once visited the Prophet's mosque in Medina. There he saw a group of people sitting and discussing their faith together. Among them were non-Arab Muslims; Salman who came from Persia; Suhayb who grew up in the Eastern Roman Empire and was regarded as a Greek, and Bilal who was black from Africa. The man then said:

"If the Medinan tribes of Aws and Khazraj support Muhammad, they are his people (i.e. Arabs like him). But what are these people doing here?

The Prophet was very angry when he heard what the man said. He immediately went to the mosque and summoned people to prayer. He then addressed them saying:

"O people know that the Lord and Sustainer is One. Your ancestor is one, your faith is one. The Arabism of anyone of you is not from your mother or father. It is no more than a tongue (language). Whoever speaks Arabic is an Arab."

The Prophet said:

"Let people stop boasting about their ancestors. One is only a pious believer or a miserable sinner. All men are sons of Adam, and Adam came from dust (Abu Dawud, Tirmidhi).

The Prophet said:

"Whoever has pride in his heart equal to the weight of an atom shall not enter Paradise." A man inquired about a person who likes to wear beautiful clothes and fine shoes, and he answered, "Allah is beautiful and likes beauty." Then he explained, "Pride means rejecting the truth because of self-esteem and looking down on other people." (Muslim).

The Prophet condemned Arab racial pride:

"You should listen to and obey your ruler even if he was an Ethiopian slave whose head looked like a raisin." (Bukhari).

7- Right to justice

The supreme task entrusted to human beings by Allah, of being Allah's deputies on earth, can only be accomplished by establishing justice which the Koran regards as pre-requisite for authentic peace. Without the elimination of the injustices that invade the personal and collective lives of human beings, it is not possible to talk about peace in Koranic terms (16).
The Prophet of Islam said:

"Allah will ask the rulers about any shortcomings in ruling those whom Allah has put under their guardianship." (Sahih Al-Bukhari, vol. 4, Hadith no. 661).

Justice is one of Allah's attributes, and to stand firm for justice is to be a witness to Allah, even if it is detrimental to our own interests or the interests of those who are near or dear to us. The Islamic justice searches out the innermost motives, because the Muslim has to act as in the presence of Allah, to whom all things and motives are known. Some people may be inclined to favor the rich, because they expect something from them. Some people may be inclined to favor the poor because they are helpless. Partially in either case they are wrong. The Muslim must be fair and just, without fear or favor. Both the rich and the poor are under Allah's protection as far as their legitimate interests are concerned, but they cannot expect to be favored at the expense of others.

O believers, be you securers of justice, witnesses for Allah, even though it be against yourselves, or your parents and kinsmen, whether the man be rich or poor; Allah stands closer to either. Then follow not caprice, so as to swerve; for if you twist or turn, Allah is aware of the things you do (Al-Nisa, 135).

Revelation is like a balance, by which man can weigh all moral issues. Allah has sent down the Koran and the Books which were sent down before in conformity with truth and in agreement with reality and with the balance of reason and justice. The balance may also refer to Allah-given faculty by which man can judge between right and wrong.

It is Allah who has sent down the Book with the truth, and also the Balance. And what shall make thee know? Haply the Hour is nigh (Ash-Shura, 17).

Allah enjoins justice and deeds of wisdom and piety, and benevolence to those who are in need, and forbids all that is wrongful and obscene, and all that is offensive. Allah urges Muslims to what is good and laudable, that they may hopefully remember.

Surely Allah bids to justice and good-doing and giving to kinsmen; and He forbids indecency, dishonor, and insolence, admonishing you, so that haply you will remember (An-Nahl, 90).

To do justice and act righteously in a favorable environment is meritorious enough, but the real test comes when the Muslim does justice to people who hate him, but no less is required of the Muslim by Allah.

O believers, be you securers of justice, witnesses for Allah. Let not detestation for a people move you not to be equitable – that is nearer to god-fearing. And fear Allah; surely Allah is aware of the things you do (Al-Maidah, 8).

Allah commands Muslims that they should render back the trusts to their owners and that when they judge between men they judge with justice.

Allah commands you to deliver trusts back to their owners; and when you judge between the people that you judge with justice. Verily, how excellent is the teaching which He (Allah) gives you! Allah is All-Hearing, All-Seeing (An-Nisa, 58).

Allah ordered Muslims not to encroach upon the property of the orphan, unless it be with the motive of improving, advancing or raising it to a better quality or condition until he reaches maturity and be able to take charge of it. Also, Muslims must not fraudulently scant the measure and the weight but dispense them equitably to the full. When they express their thoughts in words or pronounce a judgment, they must observe justice even if the person in question be related. They should avoid breach of promise and breaking a vow. Their words and actions must fulfill the solemn promise and keep the vow.

And that you approach not the property of the orphan save in the fairer manner, until he is of age. And fill up the measure and the balance with justice. We charge not any soul save to its capacity. And when you speak be just, even if it should be to a near kinsman. And fulfill Allah's covenant. This He commands you that you may remember (Al-An'am, 152).

Three things are mentioned in the Koran as gifts from Allah; the Book, the Balance and iron. The Books (Torah, Gospel, and Koran) command good and forbid evil; justice compels the ruler to give to each person his due; and iron that stands as the emblem of strength, power, discipline and law. Out of iron is made steel and from steel and iron are made implements of war against tyranny and falsehood and to be of service in preserving peace as well as effecting one's object to do what is needed in life.

Indeed We sent our Messengers with the clear signs, and We sent down with them the Book and the Balance so that men may uphold justice. And We sent down iron, wherein is great might, and many uses for men, and so that Allah might know who helps Him, and His Messengers, in the unseen. Surely Allah is All-Strong, All-Mighty (Al-Hadid, 25).

When the Prophet migrated to Medina, he was faced by two classes of men, the hypocrites and the Jews. It had been a cause of great grief and disappointment to him that some among them showed so much insincerity, cunning and hardness of heart. There were men among the Jews who were eager to catch up any lie against the Prophet. They did not deal honestly with their Law, and misapplied it, by distorting the meaning. They were also hungry for ill gotten gain and for eating people out of their property. But because Allah loves those who judge in equity, He ordered His Prophet that should the Jews or the hypocrites come to him seeking his judgment in certain points in dispute, then he may accept to judge between them, or he may decline to do so. If he declines they cannot hurt him in the least, but should he accepts to sit in judgment, then he must judge between them in equity, for Allah loves those who judge in equity.

The Koran says:

They are people who listen to falsehood, and consume the unlawful. If they come to thee, judge between them, or turn away from them; if thou turnest away from them, they will hurt thee nothing; and if thou judgest, judge justly between them; Allah loves the just (Al-Mida, 42).

The Prophet abided by Allah's commands even with such difficult people, and never made any concessions in his implementation of justice. He became an example for all times obeying the words of his Lord:

My Lord has commanded justice (Al-A'raf, 29).

The agreement that was made with the Christians of Najran in the south of the Arabian Peninsula was another fine example of the justice of the Prophet. One of the articles in the agreement reads:

The lives of the people of Najran and its surrounding area, their religion, their land, property, cattle, and those of them who are present or absent, their messengers and their places of worship are under the protection of Allah and guardianship of His Prophet.

The Compact of Medina, signed by the Muslim immigrant from Makkah, the indigenous Muslims of Medina, and the Jews of Medina, is another important example of justice. As a result of this compact, which established justice between communities with differing beliefs and ensured the protection of their various interests, long years of enmity were brought to an end. One of the most outstanding features of the treaty is the freedom of belief it established. The relevant article reads:

The Jews of Banu Auf are one nation with the Muslims; the Jews have their religion and the Muslims have theirs.

Article 16 of the treaty reads:

The Jew who follows us is surely entitled to our support and the same equal rights as any one of us. He shall not be wronged, nor his enemy be assisted.

The Prophet's companions remained true to that article of the treaty, even after his death, and they even practiced it with regard to Berbers, Buddhists, Brahmans, and people of other beliefs (23).

8- Equality

Our age is said to be the age of freedom and restoring unto every man his dignity. Our age however, is still unable to think of terms of human dignity, and this is the dark specter of social concern of the present time. Despite man's conquest of space and mastery over the forces of nature, he has not been able to rid himself of the primeval prejudice of race and color. The stark reality of our time has brought in its trail a great desolation and frustration as we find ourselves face to face with chaos, wars, the miserable conditions of living of the masses of mankind and the exploitation of one nation by another. All this has led to selfishness, fear, hatred; class, tribe and race discrimination; and subsequently the division of man against man is the order of the day.

Islam is a religion of equality. It equalizes all humans and equalizes all races. It equalizes all prophets and revealed Books. A Muslim must believe in all Prophets and all revealed books.

Islam believes in the unity of the human race. Humanity is one single family of Allah. All mankind are the creatures of One God, Allah. All people that existed on earth derived from their father Adam and their mother Eve. There is no racism in Islam. Men are one and not White or Black, Arian or non-Arian, Occidental or Oriental. In Islam all humans are created by Allah and to Allah all will return.

The Koran declares human equality as to their origin:

Mankind, fear your Lord, who created you of a single soul (Adam), and from it He created its mate (Eve), and from the pair of them scattered abroad many men and women; and fear Allah by whom you demand (your mutual rights) and (do not cut the relations of) the wombs (kinship). Surely Allah ever watches over you (An-Nisa, 1).

All people began by having one religion and one language; but as they increased in number, they spread throughout the earth. This inevitably led to difference of nature, color and language and even in religion.

Mankind was one community, then they differed among themselves, so Allah raised Prophets as bearers of glad tidings and as warmers… (Al-Baqarahh, 213).

According to Islam Allah has given man the right of equality as a birthright. Allah proclaims to all mankind that He weighs them not by parentage, lineage, descent or rank in life, but by the image their hearts reflect. Before Allah people are all one, they all are the descendants of one father and one mother. However, differences and conflicts arise among them in as much as they are close to, or far from, compliance with Allah's Law and way of life. As the Koran teaches, the most honorable of people in the sight of Allah is the most god-fearing.

O mankind, We have created you male and female, and appointed you races and tribes, that you may know one another. Surely the noblest of you in the sight of Allah is the most god-fearing of you. Allah is All-Knowing, All-Aware (Al-Hujurat, 13).

Based on this quality and as confirmed by Islam, all people are equal in freedom in the sight of the Islamic Law. This slogan was launched by Caliph Omar Ibn Al-Khattab more than fourteen centuries ago when he said:

"When did you enslaved people whose mothers had borne them free."

The above mentioned Koranic verses clearly indicate that the whole humanity with its diverse races, was originally one, deriving its existence from One Creator and all barriers that separate humanity by race and color must vanish and the superiority of a person is judged by his conduct only. A good Muslim considers himself a fusion of all races. Anyone who enters into the fold of Islam become part and parcel of this fraternity, forgetting all pride and prejudice. On the basis of this principle Islam seeks to build an intellectual, moral, ideological and international society, as against the existing tribal, racial, linguistic and national societies, which have turned the world into a racial holocaust.
The current division of the human race should not lead nations to treat one another with contempt or disgrace and usurp each other's rights. As indicated by the above verse, the superiority of man over another is only on the basis of Allah-consciousness, purity of character, and high morals. This superiority based on piety and good conduct does not justify that certain groups of people should play lord or assume airs of superiority over other human-beings. Assuming airs of superiority is in the sight of Allah a reprehensive vice which no pious man can ever dream of perpetrating, because this runs counter to human equality which has been laid down by the Koran as a general principle.

The Prophet said:

"No Arab has any superiority over a non-Arab, nor does a non-Arab have any superiority over an Arab. Nor does a white man have any superiority over a black man or the black man any superiority over the white man. You are all the children of Adam, and Adam was created from clay." (al-Bayhaqi and al-Bazzaz).

The Prophet also said:

"You are sons of Adam, and Adam came from dust. Let the people cease to boast about their ancestors." (Abu Dawud).

The Prophet also said:

"No one has any superiority over another except in goodliness." (Ahmad).

Speaking on the aspect of equality before Allah in Islam, the famous poetess of India, Sarojini Naidu says:

"It was the first religion that preached and practiced democracy; for, in the mosque, when the call for prayer is sounded and worshippers are gathered together, the democracy of Islam is embodied five times a day when the peasant and king kneel side by side and proclaim: 'Allah Alone is Great'…I have been struck over and over again by this indivisible unity of Islam that makes man instinctively a brother." (S. Naidu, Ideals of Islam, vide Speeches & Writings, Madras, 15818, PP. 169).

In the words of Professor Hurgone:

"The league of nations founded by the Prophet of Islam put the principle of international unity and human brotherhood on such universal foundations as to show candle to other nations." He continues: "The fact is that no nation of the world can show a parallel to what Islam has done towards the realization of the idea of the League of Nations."

The world has not hesitated to raise to divinity, individuals whose lives and missions have been lost in legends. Historically speaking, none of these legends achieved even a fraction of what Muhammad accomplished. All his striving was for the sole purpose of uniting mankind for the worship of one God on the code of moral excellence. Muhammad or his followers never at any time claimed that he was a son of God or the God-incarnate or a man with divinity – but he always was and is even today considered as only a Messenger chosen by the only God, Allah.

In this manner Islam established equality for the entire human race and struck at the very root of all distinctions based on color, race, language or nationality.

9- Right to privacy

In Islam the rule about dwelling houses is strict, because privacy is precious, and essential to a refined, decent and well ordered life.
Muslims are demanded not to enter houses which are not their own until they have asked permission and greet their inhabitants first. If no one replies, the Muslim has no right to enter it until he gets the owner permission. He should withdraw in case no permission is received. If he is actually asked to withdraw, as the inmates are not in a condition to receive him, he should withdraw. Even if the owners are his friend, he has no right to take them by surprise or enter against their wishes.

O believers do not enter houses other than your houses until you first ask leave and salute the people thereof; that is better for you; haply you will remember.
And if you find not anyone therein, enter it not until leave is given to you. And if you are told,' Return' return; that is purer for you; and Allah knows the things you do (Al-nur, 28).

10- Individual's right to freedom

Slavery was widely prevalent in Arabia at the time of the advent of Islam, and the Arab economy was based on it. Not just the Koran insists that slaves be treated in a just and humane manner:

Serve Allah and join none with Him (in worship). Be kind to parents, and the near kinsman, and to orphans, and to the needy, and to the neighbor who is of kin, and to the neighbor who is a stranger, and to the companion at your side, and to the traveler, and to that your right hands own (slaves). Surely Allah loves not the proud and boastful (An-Nisa, 36).

But it continually urged the freeing of slaves by urging Muslims to set the prisoners of war free, either by an act of grace or against ransom.

It is not piety that you turn your faces towards east and west (in prayers) but piety is the one who believes in Allah, the Last Day, the angels, the Book, the Prophets, and gives his wealth in spite of love for it, to the kinsfolk, to the orphans, and to the poor, and to the wayfarer, and to those who ask, and to set slaves free, perform prayers and give the alms, and who fulfill their covenant when they make it, and who are patient in extreme poverty and ailment (disease) and at the time of fighting (during the battles). Such are the people of truth and they are the pious (Al-Baqarahh, 177).

Islam has clearly forbidden the primitive practice of capturing a free man, to make him a slave, or to sell him into slavery. The Prophet said:

"There are three categories of people against whom I shall myself be a plaintiff on the Day of Judgment. Of these three, one is he who enslaves a free man, then sells him and eats his money."

Islam solved the problem of slaves that were in Arabia by encouraging the people in different ways to set their slaves free. The Muslims were ordered that in expiation of some of their sins they should set their slaves free. Freeing a slave by one's own free will was declared to be an act of great merit, so that it was said that every limb of the man who manumits a slave will be protected from Hell-Fire in lieu of the limb of the slave freed by him.

The result of this policy was that during the period of the Rightly Guided Caliphs (27 years) all the old slaves of Arabia were liberated. The Prophet alone liberated as many as 63 slaves. The number of slaves freed by his wife Aisha, was 67, Abbas liberated 70, Abd Allah ibn Omar liberated one thousand, and Abd al-Rahman ibn Auf purchased thirty thousand and set them free. Similarly other companions of the Prophet liberated a large number of slaves (17).

Thus the problem of the slaves of Arabia was solved in a short period of thirty or forty years. After this the only form of slavery which was left in Islamic society was the prisoners of war who were captured in the battlefield. These prisoners were retained by the Muslim government until their government agreed to receive them back in exchange for Muslim soldiers captured by them, or arranged the payment of ransom on their behalf. If the soldiers they captured were not exchanged with Muslim prisoners of war, or their people did not pay their ransom money to purchase their liberty, then the Muslim government used to distribute them among the population and thus brought them in contact with the Islamic society. This was a more humane and proper way of disposing of them, than retaining them like cattle in concentration camps. Over and above, their guardians were ordered to treat them well. The result of this humane policy was that most of the men who were captured on foreign battlefields and brought to Muslim countries as slaves, embraced Islam and some of their descendants became great scholars, imams (religious leaders), jurists, commentators, statesmen, generals of the army, and some of them became even the rulers of the Muslim world.

The Prophet, even though he was the recipient of divine revelation, was required to consult the Muslims in public affairs. Allah addressing the Prophet says:

…and consult with them upon the conduct of affairs

Since the principle of mutual consultation is mandatory in Islam:

And those who answer the call of their Lord (to believe that he is the only one Lord, Allah, and to worship none but Him alone), and perform prayers, and who (conduct) their affairs by mutual consultation, and who spend of what We have bestowed on them. (Ash-Shura, 38).

It is a Muslim's fundamental right, as well as responsibility, to participate in as many aspects of the community's life as possible. The Koranic proclamation that:

There shall be no coercion in matters of faith (Al-Baqarahh, 256), guarantees freedom of religion and worship. This means that non-Muslims living in Muslim territories should have the freedom to follow their own faith without fear or harassment. A number of koranic passages state clearly that the responsibility of the Prophet Muhammad is to communicate the Message of Allah and not to compel anyone to believe:

Clear proofs have come to you from your Lord. Whoso sees clearly, it is to his own gain, and whoso is blind, it is to his own loss; I am not a watcher over you (Al-An'am, 1040.

Had Allah willed, they would not have taken others besides Him in worship. And We have not appointed you a watcher over them neither are you their guardian (Al-An'am, 107).

The right to exercise free choice in matter of belief is unambiguously endorsed in the Koran:

Say: "The truth is from your Lord; so let whosoever will believe, and let whosoever will disbelieve." Surely We have prepared for the evildoers a fire, whose pavilion encompasses them; if they call for succor, they will be succored with water like molten copper, that shall scald their faces – how evil a potion, and how evil a resting place (Al-Kahf, 29).

The Koran also states clearly that Allah will judge human beings not on the basis of what they profess but on the basis of what their belief and righteous conduct:

Those who believe (in the Koran), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians, any who believe in Allah and the Last day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with the Lord: on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

The Koranic dictum, "Let there be no compulsion in religion" (Al-Baqarahh, 256), applies not only to non-Muslims but also to Muslims. Those however who renounced Islam after professing it and then engaged in acts of war against Muslims are to be treated as enemies and transgressors (16).

The right to freedom includes the right to be free to tell the truth. Haqq (truth) is one of Allah's attributes. Standing up for the truth is a right and a responsibility which a Muslim may not disdain in the face of the greatest danger or difficulty:

O believer, be you securers of justice, witnesses for Allah, even though it be against yourselves, or your parents and kinsmen, whether the man be rich or poor; Allah stands closer to either. Then follow not caprice, so as to swerve; for if you twist or turn, Allah is aware of the things you do ( An-Nisa, 135).

Islam has laid down the principle that no citizen can be imprisoned unless his guilt has been proven in an open court. To arrest a man only on the basis of suspicion and to throw him into a prison without proper court proceedings and without providing him with the opportunity to prepare his defense is not allowed in Islam.

11- The right to protest against tyranny

Among the rights that Islam had conferred on human beings is the right to protest against government's tyranny. In Islam, all power and authority belong to Allah, and man, His vicegerent on earth, has only a delegated power known as the trust. Everyone who becomes a recipient of such a trust or power has to stand in reverence
before his people and serve them truthfully according to the Koran and the teachings of the Prophet lest he would be exposed to the wrath of Allah if he deviated from truth. This was acknowledged by the first caliph after the Prophet, Abu Bakr who said in his first address to his people: "Cooperate with me when I am right but correct me when I commit error; obey me so long as I follow the commandments of Allah and His prophet; but turn away from me when I deviate."

12- Freedom of expression

Islam gives the right of freedom of thought and expression to all citizens of the Islamic state on the condition that it should be used for the propagation of virtue and truth and not for spreading evil and wickedness. Islam does not give anybody the right to use abusive or offensive language in the name of criticism. One who tries to deny the right of freedom of expression to his people is openly at war with Allah. It is the duty of the faithful Muslim to warn and reprimand the evil-doer and try to stop him from doing it (17).

The Holy Koran has described this quality of the faithful in the following words:

They enjoin what is proper and forbid what is improper (At-Tawba, 71).

In contrast, describing the qualities of a hypocrite, the Koran mentions:

They bid what is improper and forbid what is proper (At-Tawba, 67).

The Prophet said:

"If anyone of you comes across an evil, he should try to stop it with his hand (using force); if he is not in a position to stop it with his hand he should try to stop it by means of his tongue (he should speak against it). If he is not even able to use his tongue then he should at least condemn it in his heart. This is the weakest degree of faith."(Muslim).

The Holy Prophet demanded that his companions tell the truth and express their views fearing no blame. He said:

"He who holds back from telling the truth is dumb devil."

13- Freedom of association

Islam has given people the right to freedom of association and formation of parties or organizations. This right should be exercised for propagating virtue and righteousness and must not be used for spreading evil and mischief. Addressing the Muslims the Koran declares:

you are the best nation ever brought forth to men, bidding to honor, and forbidding dishonor, and believing in Allah…. (Al-Imran, 110).

If the entire Muslim community is not able to perform this duty then:

Let there be a community among you, calling to good, and bidding to honor, and forbidding dishonor; those are the prosperous (Al-Imran, 104).

14- Freedom of conscience and conviction

In Islam religion and faith are matters of conscience and no power or compulsion can affect them.The holy Koran has laid down the injunction:

There should be no coercion in the matter of faith (Al-Baqarahh, 256).

This verse clearly indicates that compulsion and faith cannot co-exist. Religion depends upon faith and will, and these would be meaningless if influenced by force.

Though there is no truth and virtue greater than the religion of Islam, and in spite of the fact that Muslims are enjoined to invite people to embrace Islam, they are not asked to enforce this faith on them. Whoever accepts Islam he does so by his own choice. Muslims will welcome such a convert to Islam with open arms and admit him to their community with equal rights and privileges. But if somebody does not accept Islam, Muslims will have to respect his decision, and no pressure will be put on him to change his mind (17).

Allah has given man the freedom to believe in Him or not. He guided him to the right path, and left him to choose to be grateful or to deviate from what is just and right.

As we read in the Koran:

Surely We guided him upon the way whether he be thankful or unthankful (Al-Insăn, 3).

If he is thankful he will accept guidance, and join the company of the blessed. If not, his account is with Allah on the Day of judgment.

When the Message of Islam had been transmitted to mankind the duty of the Prophet was completed. The Prophet is not responsible for the deeds of the people to whom he transmitted the Message. Forcing people to believe was not his responsibility. The Koran states this fact in several verses as follows:
Then remind them. Thou art only a reminder; thou art not charged to oversee them (Al-Ghashiyah, 21-22).

But if they turn away, We sent thee not to be a guardian over them. It is for thee only to deliver the Message (Al-Shûra, 48).

Surely We have sent down upon thee the Book for mankind with the truth. Whosoever is guided, is only guided to his own gain, and whosoever goes astray, it is only to his own loss; thou art not a guardian over them (Az-Zumur, 41).

The Prophet explained the religion o everyone, but left them free to make up their own minds.

After conveying Islam Prophet Muhammad left people to their consciences; he accepted those who believed in what he preached as his brothers and sisters in religion, but he showed no hostility to those who did not accept Islam and who wanted to maintain their former beliefs; rather he accepted their beliefs.

The Prophet was reported to have said, "He who unfairly treats a non-Muslim who keeps a peace treaty with Muslims, or undermine his rights, or burdens him beyond his capacity, or takes something from him without his consent; then I am his opponent on the Day of Judgment." (Abu Dawud and Al-Bhaqi).

It was also reported that the Prophet aid: "He who harms a non-Muslim who keeps a peace treaty with Muslims has harmed me, and he who harms me has harmed Allah." (Al-Tabarni in Alawsat with a good chain of transmission).

The Prophet also said: "Whoever kills a person who has a truce with the Muslims will never smell the fragrance of Paradise." (Sahih Muslim).

This principle is a form of religious commitment all Muslims must adhere to. With the adoption of this principle later Muslim officials refrained from forcefully enforcing Islam on people who did not choose the religion. Starting from the time of the four great Caliphs all Islamic leaders allowed non-Muslims to practice their own beliefs. It is for this reason that throughout history non-Muslim minorities could preserve their existence in various Islamic cultures.

The second Caliph, Omar ibn Elkhattab used to ask those who came to him from various provinces about the well being of non Muslims and whether they have any complaints from any kind of oppression in these provinces.

The fourth Caliph Ali ibn Abu Taleb said, "They pay capitation tax so that their properties and lives may be as ours."

15- Protection of religious sentiments

Along with freedom of conviction and freedom of conscience, Islam has given the right to the individual that his religious sentiments will be given due respect and nothing will be said or done which may encroach upon this right.
It has been ordained by Allah in the Holy Koran:

Abuse not those to whom they (disbelievers) worship besides Allah or they will abuse Allah in revenge without knowledge. So We have decked out fair to every nation their deeds; then to their Lord they shall return, and He will tell them what they have been doing (Al-An'am, 108).

Islam does not prohibit people from holding debate and discussion on religious matters provided that these discussions are conducted in decency.

Dispute not with the people of the Book (Jews and Christians) save in the fairer manner, except for those of them that do wrong; and say, 'We believe in what has been sent down to us, and what has been sent down to you; and our God and your God is One, and to Him we have surrendered (Al-Ankabut, 46).

16- Protection from arbitrary imprisonment

Islam recognizes the right of the individual that he will not be arrested or imprisoned for the offences of others. Islam believes in personal responsibility. Man is responsible for his acts, and the consequences of his actions cannot be transferred to someone else. The Holy Koran has laid down this principle clearly:

No bearer of burdens shall be made to bear the burden of another (Al-An'am, 164).

17- Equality before law

Islam gives its citizens the right to absolute and complete equality in the eyes of the law. As far as the Muslims are concerned, there are clear instructions in the Holy Koran that in their rights and obligations they are all equal:

The believers are brothers to each other. So make reconciliation between your brothers, and fear Allah, that you may receive mercy (Al-Hujurat, 10).

The Prophet said:

"Life and blood of Muslims are equally precious" (Abu Dawud; Ibn Majjah).

If the unbelievers repent and embrace Islam then they form with Muslims one brotherhood and they acquire the same rights and obligations as other Muslims have.

Yet if they repent, and perform the prayer, and pay the alms, then they are your brothers in religion; and We distinguish the signs for a people who know (Al-Tawba, 11).

As far as the non-Muslim citizens of the Islamic state are concerned, their rights were well expressed by the fourth Caliph Ali ibn Abitaleb:

"they have accepted our protection only because their lives may be like our lives and their properties like our properties." (Abu Dawud). In other words, their lives and properties are as the lives and properties of the Muslims.

Discrimination of people into different classes was one of the greatest crimes that according to the Koran, pharaoh used to indulge in:

Now pharaoh had exalted himself in the land and had divided its inhabitants into sects, abasing one party of them, slaughtering their sons, and sparing their women; for he was of the workers of corruption (Al-Qassas, 4).

18- Rulers are not above the law

Islam clearly insists and demands that all officials of the Islamic state, whether he be the head or an ordinary employee, are equal before the law. None of them is above the law or can claim immunity.

A woman belonging to a high and noble family was arrested in connection with theft. The case was brought to the Prophet, and it was recommended that she might be spared the punishment of theft. The Prophet replied:

"The nations that lived before you were destroyed by Allah because they punished the common men for their offenses and let their dignitaries go unpunished for their crimes; I swear by Him Who holds my life in His hand that even if Fatima, the daughter of Muhammad, had committed this crime, I would have amputated her hand."

The second caliph Omar ibn El-Khattab said:

"I have myself seen the Prophet, may Allah's blessings be on him, taking revenge against himself (penalizing himself for some shortcoming or failing)."

On the Battle of Badr, when the Prophet was straightening the rows of the Muslim army he unintentionally hit the belly of a soldier in an attempt to push him back in line. The soldier complained, "O Prophet, you have hurt me with your stick." The Prophet immediately bared his belly and said: "I am very sorry, you can revenge by doing the same to me." The soldier came forward and kissed the abdomen of the Prophet and said that this was all that he wanted.

During the caliphate of Omar, Muhammad the son of Amr ibn al-'As, the governor of Egypt, whipped an Egyptian. The Egyptian went to Medina and lodged his complaint with the righteous caliph who immediately summoned the governor and his son to Medina. When they appeared before him in Medina, the caliph handed a whip to the Egyptian complainant and asked him to whip the son of the governor in his presence. After taking his revenge and the Egyptian was about to hand over the whip to Omar, he said to the Egyptian: "Give one stroke of the whip to the honorable governor as well. His son would certainly have not beaten you were it not for the false pride that he had in his father's high office." The plaintiff submitted: "The person who had beaten me, I have already avenged myself on him." Omar said: "By Allah, if you had beaten him (the governor) I would not have checked you from doing so. You have spared him of your own free will." Then Omar angrily turned to Amr bin al-'As and said: "O Amr, when did you start to enslave the people, though they were born free of their mothers?"

When the Islamic State was flourishing in its pristine glory and splendor, the common people could equally lodge complaints against the caliphs of the time in the court and the caliph had to appear before the judge to answer the charges. And if the caliph had any complaints against any citizen, he could not use his administrative powers and authority to set the matter right, but had to refer the case to the court of law for proper adjudication (17).

19- The right to participate in the affairs of the state

According to Islam, governments are actually representatives of Allah. Allah has promised those who have conformed to his system of faith that He shall depute them on earth in order that they may maintain His Law, and He will support them with power to establish His religion of Right, and He will confirm for them their religion which He has chosen for them as the appropriate system of faith and worship. He will also exchange the fear and dread which fell upon them for peace of mind and soul, provided that they adore Him with appropriate acts and rites and do not incorporate with Him other deities.

The Koran says:

Allah has promised those of you who believe and do righteous deeds that He will surely make you successors in the land, even as He made those who were before them successors, and that He will surely establish their religion for them that He has approved for them, and will give them in exchange, after their fear security: 'They shall serve Me not associating with Me anything. Whoso disbelieves after that, those they are the ungodly.' (An-Nûr, 55).

The correct method recommended by the Holy Koran for running the affairs of the state is through consultation:

And their business is conducted through consultation among themselves (Ash-Shura, 38).

According to this principle it is the right of every Muslim to either participate directly in the affairs of the state or through his representatives that are elected by free and independent choice of the people.

Choice of heads of state is explicitly stated by Omar, the second caliph of Muslims after the Prophet, to be a right of the people.

20- Right to acquire knowledge

The Holy Prophet Muhammad – peace be upon him – stands alone in the religious annals of the world as the advocate of scientific inquiry. The pages of the Koran abound with passages which invite our attention to an empirical study of the natural phenomena and emphasize the conquest of nature by man. In fact, the inductive method of inquiry, which is the basis of modern scientific and philosophical thought, is one of the most valuable gifts of the Koran to the world (18).

The Koran puts the highest emphasis on the importance of acquiring knowledge and encourages Muslims to learn not only of Allah's laws and religious injunctions, but also to seeing, contemplating and reasoning about the world of creation and its diverse phenomenon. The Koran places the gaining of knowledge as the highest religious activity, one that is most pleasing in Allah's eyes.

The Holy Koran repeatedly orders Muslims to contemplate the universe, creatures, animals, seas, stars, human body and plants.
To cite just a few verses to substantiate this statement, the Koran says:

And of His signs is the creation of the heaven and earth and the variety of your tongues and hues. Surely in that are signs for a people who hear.
And of His signs he shows you lightening, for fear and hope, and that He sends down out of heaven water and He revives the earth after it is dead. Surely in that are signs for a people who understand.
And of His signs is that the heaven and earth stand firm by His command; then, when He calls you once and suddenly, out of the earth, lo you shall come forth (Ar-Rum 20-25).

And He has subjected to you what is in the heavens and what is in the earth, all together, from Him. Surely in that are signs for a people who reflect ( Al-Ghashiah, 13).

What, do they not consider how the camels were created, how heaven was lifted up, how the mountains were hoisted, how the earth was outstretched? (Al-Ghashiah, 17-20).

It is no wonder, therefore, that during the age of Islam's glory, its followers became the pioneers of civilization and the inaugurators of the modern scientific era. It can honestly be said that but for Islam there would have been no modern scientific civilization.

It is because of the Koranic teachings that Muslims built a civilization and contributed to its advancement by excelling in medicine, mathematics, physics, astronomy, chemistry, engineering and all social sciences.

The Koran was very successful in educating the early Muslims into becoming fully developed humans, spiritually, mentally and physically, at both the individual and community levels. It did that in a quantum step; achieving a huge positive differential quality in the shortest time for the benefit of the maximum number of people at the least social cost.

Briffault, a great non-Muslim authority of the West says in his reputed work, 'The making of humanity':

"Neither Roger Bacon nor his later name-sake has any title to be credited with having introduced the experimental method. Roger bacon was no more than one of the apostles of Muslim science and method to Christian Europe…Science is the momentous contribution of Arab civilization to modern world…though it was not science only which brought Europe back to life. Other and manifold influences from the civilization of Islam communicated its first glow to European life." (P. 202).

"The debt of our science to that of the Arabs does not consist in startling discoveries or revolutionary theories; science owes a great deal more to Arab culture; it owes its existence. The ancient world was, as we saw, pre-scientific. The astronomy and mathematics of the Greeks were a foreign importation never thorough acclimatized in Greek culture, the Greeks systematized, generalized, and theorized, but the patient ways of investigation, the accumulation of positive knowledge, the minute methods of science, detailed and prolonged observation and experimental inquiry were altogether alien to Greek temperament…What we call science arose in Europe as the result of a new spirit of inquiry, of new methods of investigation, of the method of experiment, observation, measurement, of the development of mathematics in a form unknown to the Greeks. That spirit and those methods were introduced into the European world by the Arabs." (P. 190).

The first revelation received by the Prophet was a verse instructing him to read. So reading to acquire knowledge is essential in Islam.

Recite: In the Name of thy Lord who created man of a blood-clot.
Recite: And thy Lord is the most Generous who taught by the pen, taught man that he knew not (Al-'Alaq 1-5).

The Koran exhorts believers to pray for increasing their knowledge:

So high exalted be Allah, the true King.
And hasten not with the Koran before its revelation to thee is completed, and say, 'O my Lord, increase me in knowledge.' (Taha, 114).

The famous prayer of the Prophet was:

"Allah grants me knowledge of the ultimate nature of things."

The Prophet said:

"Seek knowledge even though it be in China."

China was mentioned to indicate a distant place.

The Prophet also said:

"Seeking knowledge is every Muslim's duty."

"Acquire knowledge, it enables its professor to distinguish right from wrong; it lights the way to heaven. It is our friend in the desert, our company in solitude and companion when friendless. It guides us to happiness, it sustains us in misery, and it is an ornament amongst friends and armor against enemies."

Islam commands scholars to disseminate knowledge and not to hide it so that everyone may benefit by it. This is stated by the Prophet:

"Whosoever is asked about some (religious) information, yet he conceals it will be bridled on the Day of Judgment"

Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy — August 27, 2011 @ 7:18 PM

"Bill Warner, if you read my article without bias, I am sure you and the whole West will be proud of being part of the Islamic civlization."

Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy — August 27, 2011 @ 7:26 PM

"El-Guindy,

More 7th Century rant, rant, rant, and blah, blah, blah... you really are a long winded blowhard aren't you El-Guindy? People used to believe that the world was flat too!

Your so-called "article" is pure bias and pure fabricated bullshit! It is more than obvious that your rants are nothing more than a form of written jihad that you are attempting to wage.

If you actually believe your own rants (and obviously you do) you are clearly an emotionally disturbed, misguided, angry, argumentative imbecile who obviously cannot grasp even the most simple concepts and truths about Islam.

Because you are such a dimwit, and because I am feeling overly generous this morning, I will reiterate some earlier comments that I made to you so that you will not be able to say that you were not afforded enough opportunities to learn the truth about "the religion of peace" - Islam.

Here we go El-Guindy, are you awake? Before we get started have you eaten your halal breakfast yet? With a cup of halal coffee to help get your brain functioning? Had a chance to beat your wife yet this morning to get your day off to a good start? Had a chance yet to cut the head off of some Kafir for telling the truth about the criminal Muhammad? Have you had a chance to plan and plot your next jihad attack against the West? Have you had a chance to make a few death threats to Kafirs you do not like for telling the truth about Islam? Perhaps you have even had some time this morning to finish making your suicide vest with some good quality explosives, nails, screws, and other goodies? All the while dreaming about those 72 virgins waiting for you in paradise???!!! Sounds pretty good eh?? Alright...Good, then sounds like you are ready to go! So, let's get started with your lesson:

1. Islam: Islam is a homophobic and intolerant 7th Century totalitarian ideology of hatred, deceit, racism, bigotry, misogyny, pedophilia, anti-semitism, slavery, terrorism, murder, rape, humiliation, control, domination, submission, and the annihilator of all native non-Muslim cultures that it dominates.

2. Muhammad: Your so-called prophet Muhammad was nothing more than, as your good buddy Geert Wilders has accurately confirmed, "a savage leader of a gang of robbers from Medina without scruples who looted, raped, and murdered. Muhammad was also a narcissist, a pedophile, a mass murderer, a terrorist, a misogynist, a lecher, a cult leader, a madman, a rapist, a torturer, an assassin and a looter." Sounds like a great guy! The kind of guy you would like to have your daughter date, eh El-Guindy?

3. Allah: Your so-called "only god in the universe" Allah, is nothing more than a fabrication from Muhammad's sick mind... in other words, just a tribal moon god of the Quraysh tribe.

El-Guindy, I have made it so simple that even a dumbass like you can understand it, right?"

Oh, yea, once more thing before I release you from class, with the 10th Anniversary of 9/11 just around the corner, I still have not heard back from you on your thoughts and comments about who was responsible?! Are you afraid, like a little girl, to discuss with me in this forum who was responsible for the 9/11 attack?"

Armed Infidel — August 28, 2011 @ 12:11 PM

"Armed Infidel,I truly admire you.you have shut up the moth of EL-Gundy,a deciver.Many religions are logically false,but they are not evil,Islam is not only false but also evil.This is what distingueshes Islam from other faith."

y.m — August 28, 2011 @ 6:48 PM

"Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy should be commended for preparing a 11,331 word rebuttal to Bill Warner’s 987 word essay. Very few Muslims ever try to defend their ideology. My response to Dr. El-Guindy will be much briefer. Still, most of Dr. El-Guindy’s 20 points are OT – off topic – as will be demonstrated later.

First of all, however, readers should know that Dr. El-Guindy is an Egyptian expert in agriculture, not Islam. So when he claims that the Koran is divine revelation, he must be a bit disturbed that it talks of abundant rainfall (ghayth) in Egypt which actually gets only 1.2 inches of rain a year and has never relied on rainfall for agriculture (See Surah 12:49) and that the moon can be used to compute the seasons. (See Surah 10:5.) Also, why would he make a death threat to a fellow American agriculturalist, Ann Branhardt, who did nothing more than read the most offensive verses in the Koran and destroy them in front of a U.S. flag? (See http://www.faithfreedom.org/articles/political-islam/wolves-in-sheep-clothing/) By the way, she did not burn the Koran – only the offensive verses.

Readers should recall that the question at hand is whether Islam is a part of the U.S. Civilization. Dr. El-Guindy cuts and pastes scores of texts about Islamic values, but carefully avoids any discussion of the two most important civilizational documents we have today – the U.S. Constitution and the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights. When one compares Sharia Law (based on the Koran and the Sunna of Muhammad) with the U.S. Constitution, there is a disconnect in virtually every article. See the side-by-side comparison at http://www.annaqed.com/en/content/show.aspx?pod=1&aid=16242.

When it comes to the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR), all of the members of the U.N. except Saudi Arabia signed this 1948 declaration as a requirement of membership. However, in 1990, the 57 member nations of what is now called the Organization of Islamic Cooperation promulgated the Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam which is actually a denial of many of the rights in the UDHR. Article 24 states, “All the rights and freedoms stipulated in this Declaration are subject to the Islamic Sharia.” This results in discrimination based on race, religion, sex, and economic status -- all universal rights which are protected in the UDHR. It also allows cruel and unusual punishments like killing apostates and adulterers and chopping off the hands of petty thieves. No other document demonstrates so clearly that the Islamic world – represented by the OIC – is completely outside of the U.S. Civilization than their rejection of the UDHR.

Most of Dr. Gunindy’s rebuttal consists of eloquent quotations from the Koran which constitute at best half-truths and often outright lies. These can only be briefly addressed in the space and time available:

1. Right to life – Dr. Gunindy repeats the much-quoted Surah 5: 32 verse which actually applies to Jews, not Muslims. Dr. Gunindy also forgot the reliable Bukhari hadith quoting Muhammad, “Whoever changed his Islamic religion, kill him. (Vol. 9, No. 57)

2. Right of ownership – The Koran makes taking spoils of war and rape of captive women legal – both a violation of International Law. See Surahs 8:69, 33:50, and 48:20)

3. The right to basic necessities of life -- Hardly. “Had Allah bestowed abundance upon His servants, they would have committed much injustice in the land. He gives them what He will in due measure. “ (Surah 42:27). Compare that with the statement from the U.S. Declaration of Independence: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

4. Right to respect -- This applies only to fellow-Muslims. Non-Muslims are called filth (najisun) in Surah 9:28. Muslims are commanded to make war on the infidels. (Surah 9:123) Surah 48:29 says, “Those who follow [Muhammad] are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another.

5.Protection of honor -- The way honor is protected in Islamic societies is that women who don’t obey the strict rules are murdered to protect the family’s honor. The UN estimates that 5,000 women a year are murdered to protect family honor, but local aid groups in Muslim countries claim that the figure is probably four times that many. An insightful book on this, written by a Muslima is “Murder in the Name of Honor” by Rana Husseini.

6.Brotherhood – see #4

7.Right to justice – A woman’s testimony is worth half that of a man. (Surah 2:282 ) A woman inherits only half that of a male heir. (Surah 4:11) Sharia Law discriminates against a non-Muslim litigants (o22.12) and certain social classes may not even testify in court. (o24.3(3). (References are to the Classic Manual of Sharia Sacred Law ‘Umdat al-Salik by al-Misri.)

8. Equality – see #7

9. Right to privacy -- My foot! So how did Muhammad catch his daughter-in-law Zaynab so naked that he exclaimed, “Glory be to Allah the Almighty! Glory be to Allah, who causes hearts to turn!” (The History of Al Tabari, Vol. VIII, para. 1461)?? Muhammad later received a command from Allah authorizing him to enter into an incestuous marriage relationship with Zaynab. (Surah 33:37)

10. Individuals right to freedom -- See comparison of Sharia Law with the U.S. Constitution (referenced above), particularly with regard to the first ten amendments, called the Bill of Rights.

11. The right to protest against any tyranny – The Koran and Sharia Law constitute tyranny against both Muslims and non-Muslims, as amply demonstrated above. However, when Bill Warner protests against them, Dr. El-Guindy tells him, “Misguiding your reader is a terrible sin you will pay dearly for on the Day of Resurrection.” Criticizing anything about Allah, Muhammad, or Sharia Law is an act of apostasy for Muslims, which is a capital crime. (Reliance of the Traveler, Section o8.7) Non-Muslims will lose their “protection” if they mention anything impermissible about Allah, Muhammad, or Islam. (Reliance of the Traveler, Section o11.0)

12. Freedom of expression – See #11

13. Freedom of association – “Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends.” (Surah 5:51) “Do you see those that have befriended a people with whom Allah is angry (i.e., Jews)? They belong neither to you nor to them. They knowingly swear to falsehood. Allah has prepared for them a grievous scourge.” (Surah 58:15)

14. Freedom of conscience and conviction -- Here Dr. El-Guindy uses the often-quoted verse about no compulsion in religion from Surah 2:256. However that verse was superseded and abrogated by a later verse, Surah 3:83, “Are they seeking a religion other than Allah’s, when every soul in the heavens and earth has submitted to Him, willingly or by compulsion?” (See also Surah 19:95)

15. Protection of religious sentiments – See #11

16. Protection from arbitrary imprisonment – Rape of women captured in war is the cruelest from of arbitrary imprisonment and it authorized by Surah 33:50. Even more heinous is locking up an unfaithful wife in the house until she dies, as provided in Surah 4:15.

17. Equality before the law – See #7

18. Rulers are not above the law – Yes, we see that every day in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Libya, Tunisia, Afghanistan, and Bahrain, to name a few. Also, why was it that only Muhammad could have as many wives as he wanted per Surah 33:50, and why was he given absolution from the oaths he had made per Surah 66:2?

19. The right to participate in the affairs of the State – That may be true for Muslims, but most Islamic countries have minorities of non-Muslims who are systematically denied political office and government employment. The U.S. Constitution stipulates that there is no religious test or requirement for any government office.

20. Right to acquire knowledge – If this provision were true, the Islamic world would not be as backward as it is today. The UN Arab Human Development reports, written by Muslims, show the Middle East as the most backward of any region on earth except Sub-Saharan Africa. As Robert Reilly outlined so eloquently in his book, “The Closing of the Muslim Mind,” almost all inquiry and philosophy ended when the Asharite school of thought spread through the region in the 11th Century.

The conclusion in Reilly’s book is also fitting for this discussion of whether Islam is a part of the U.S. Civilization. He quotes the Muslim Libyan reformist Dr. Muhammad al-Houni: “Arab societies have only one of two options: either to sever their ties with Western civilization and its cultural institutions and continue to do themselves harm – or to irrevocably sever their ties with the religious legacy of the Middle Ages, in order for their philosophy to be a philosophy of life and freedom, and not one of death and hatred. “"

Chris — August 28, 2011 @ 8:56 PM

"Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy should be commended for preparing a 11,331 word rebuttal to Bill Warner’s 987 word essay. Very few Muslims ever try to defend their ideology. My response to Dr. El-Guindy will be much briefer. Still, most of Dr. El-Guindy’s 20 points are OT – off topic – as will be demonstrated later.

First of all, however, readers should know that Dr. El-Guindy is an Egyptian expert in agriculture, not Islam. So when he claims that the Koran is divine revelation, he must be a bit disturbed that it talks of abundant rainfall (ghayth) in Egypt which actually gets only 1.2 inches of rain a year and has never relied on rainfall for agriculture (See Surah 12:49) and that the moon can be used to compute the seasons. (See Surah 10:5.) Also, why would he make a death threat to a fellow American agriculturalist, Ann Branhardt, who did nothing more than read the most offensive verses in the Koran and destroy them in front of a U.S. flag? (See http://www.faithfreedom.org/articles/political-islam/wolves-in-sheep-clothing/) By the way, she did not burn the Koran – only the offensive verses.

Readers should recall that the question at hand is whether Islam is a part of the U.S. Civilization. Dr. El-Guindy cuts and pastes scores of texts about Islamic values, but carefully avoids any discussion of the two most important civilizational documents we have today – the U.S. Constitution and the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights. When one compares Sharia Law (based on the Koran and the Sunna of Muhammad) with the U.S. Constitution, there is a disconnect in virtually every article. See the side-by-side comparison at http://www.annaqed.com/en/content/show.aspx?pod=1&aid=16242.

When it comes to the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR), all of the members of the U.N. except Saudi Arabia signed this 1948 declaration as a requirement of membership. However, in 1990, the 57 member nations of what is now called the Organization of Islamic Cooperation promulgated the Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam which is actually a denial of many of the rights in the UDHR. Article 24 states, “All the rights and freedoms stipulated in this Declaration are subject to the Islamic Sharia.” This results in discrimination based on race, religion, sex, and economic status -- all universal rights which are protected in the UDHR. It also allows cruel and unusual punishments like killing apostates and adulterers and chopping off the hands of petty thieves. No other document demonstrates so clearly that the Islamic world – represented by the OIC – is completely outside of the U.S. Civilization than their rejection of the UDHR.

Most of Dr. Gunindy’s rebuttal consists of eloquent quotations from the Koran which constitute at best half-truths and often outright lies. These can only be briefly addressed in the space and time available:

1. Right to life – Dr. Gunindy repeats the much-quoted Surah 5: 32 verse which actually applies to Jews, not Muslims. Dr. Gunindy also forgot the reliable Bukhari hadith quoting Muhammad, “Whoever changed his Islamic religion, kill him. (Vol. 9, No. 57)

2. Right of ownership – The Koran makes taking spoils of war and rape of captive women legal – both a violation of International Law. See Surahs 8:69, 33:50, and 48:20)

3. The right to basic necessities of life -- Hardly. “Had Allah bestowed abundance upon His servants, they would have committed much injustice in the land. He gives them what He will in due measure. “ (Surah 42:27). Compare that with the statement from the U.S. Declaration of Independence: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

4. Right to respect -- This applies only to fellow-Muslims. Non-Muslims are called filth (najisun) in Surah 9:28. Muslims are commanded to make war on the infidels. (Surah 9:123) Surah 48:29 says, “Those who follow [Muhammad] are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another.

5. Protection of honor -- The way honor is protected in Islamic societies is that women who don’t obey the strict rules are murdered to protect the family’s honor. The UN estimates that 5,000 women a year are murdered to protect family honor, but local aid groups in Muslim countries claim that the figure is probably four times that many. An insightful book on this, written by a Muslima is “Murder in the Name of Honor” by Rana Husseini.

6. Brotherhood – see #4

7. Right to justice – A woman’s testimony is worth half that of a man. (Surah 2:282 ) A woman inherits only half that of a male heir. (Surah 4:11) Sharia Law discriminates against a non-Muslim litigants (o22.12) and certain social classes may not even testify in court. (o24.3(3). (References are to the Classic Manual of Sharia Sacred Law ‘Umdat al-Salik by al-Misri.)

8. Equality – see #7

9. Right to privacy -- My foot! So how did Muhammad catch his daughter-in-law Zaynab so naked that he exclaimed, “Glory be to Allah the Almighty! Glory be to Allah, who causes hearts to turn!” (The History of Al Tabari, Vol. VIII, para. 1461)?? Muhammad later received a command from Allah authorizing him to enter into an incestuous marriage relationship with Zaynab. (Surah 33:37)

10. Individuals right to freedom -- See comparison of Sharia Law with the U.S. Constitution (referenced above), particularly with regard to the first ten amendments, called the Bill of Rights.

11. The right to protest against any tyranny – The Koran and Sharia Law constitute tyranny against both Muslims and non-Muslims, as amply demonstrated above. However, when Bill Warner protests against them, Dr. El-Guindy tells him, “Misguiding your reader is a terrible sin you will pay dearly for on the Day of Resurrection.” Criticizing anything about Allah, Muhammad, or Sharia Law is an act of apostasy for Muslims, which is a capital crime. (Reliance of the Traveler, Section o8.7) Non-Muslims will lose their “protection” if they mention anything impermissible about Allah, Muhammad, or Islam. (Reliance of the Traveler, Section o11.0)

12. Freedom of expression – See #11

13. Freedom of association – “Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends.” (Surah 5:51) “Do you see those that have befriended a people with whom Allah is angry (i.e., Jews)? They belong neither to you nor to them. They knowingly swear to falsehood. Allah has prepared for them a grievous scourge.” (Surah 58:15)

14. Freedom of conscience and conviction -- Here Dr. El-Guindy uses the often-quoted verse about no compulsion in religion from Surah 2:256. However that verse was superseded and abrogated by a later verse, Surah 3:83, “Are they seeking a religion other than Allah’s, when every soul in the heavens and earth has submitted to Him, willingly or by compulsion?” (See also Surah 19:95)

15. Protection of religious sentiments – See #11

16. Protection from arbitrary imprisonment – Rape of women captured in war is the cruelest from of arbitrary imprisonment and it authorized by Surah 33:50. Even more heinous is locking up an unfaithful wife in the house until she dies, as provided in Surah 4:15.

17. Equality before the law – See #7

18. Rulers are not above the law – Yes, we see that every day in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Libya, Tunisia, Afghanistan, and Bahrain, to name a few. Also, why was it that only Muhammad could have as many wives as he wanted per Surah 33:50, and why was he given absolution from the oaths he had made per Surah 66:2?

19. The right to participate in the affairs of the State – That may be true for Muslims, but most Islamic countries have minorities of non-Muslims who are systematically denied political office and government employment. The U.S. Constitution stipulates that there is no religious test or requirement for any government office.

20. Right to acquire knowledge – If this provision were true, the Islamic world would not be as backward as it is today. The UN Arab Human Development reports, written by Muslims, show the Middle East as the most backward of any region on earth except Sub-Saharan Africa. As Robert Reilly outlined so eloquently in his book, “The Closing of the Muslim Mind,” almost all inquiry and philosophy ended when the Asharite school of thought spread through the region in the 11th Century.

The conclusion in Reilly’s book is also fitting for this discussion of whether Islam is a part of the U.S. Civilization. He quotes the Muslim Libyan reformist Dr. Muhammad al-Houni: “Arab societies have only one of two options: either to sever their ties with Western civilization and its cultural institutions and continue to do themselves harm – or to irrevocably sever their ties with the religious legacy of the Middle Ages, in order for their philosophy to be a philosophy of life and freedom, and not one of death and hatred. “"

Chris — August 28, 2011 @ 9:29 PM

"Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy you must be crazy to believe all those lies.

You say “stop frightening your readers about Islam without reason”. There is reason to be frightened about Islam. Millions of people including you have been brainwashed into its absurd, though murderous and discriminatory ideology.

What are you a doctor of? Islamic ideology? If Muhammad said "Seek knowledge even though it be in China” then please seek it. Only those really ignorant would believe that nonsense the charlatan Muhammad preached.

How many Nobel prize winners have converted to Islam?

The Quran says the Earth is flat (15:19, 20:53, 43:10, 50:7, 51:48, 71:19, 78:6, 79:30, 88:20, 91:6) and the Sun goes around the Earth (36:40) and goes to its “resting-place” or “stopping point” (36:38) and sets in a Muddy spring at night. (18:83- 85).

Did you know the Earth is round and not flat? And the Earth goes around the Sun and not the other way? And the Sun does not stop or have a “resting-place” at night?

You say “Islam is a religion of equality. It equalizes all humans and equalizes all races”!!!

What audacity!! What a lie!! There is no equality in Islam. The woman is not equal to the man, the slave not equal to his master, the non-Muslim not equal to the Muslim. The homosexual not equal to the heterosexual.

It is the most discriminatory ideology on Earth. it does not belong to a civilised society.

You say “Why do you neglect the fact that Islam built over the centuries tremendous and fantastic civilizations that took the world from darkness to light”!!

Islam built no civilisations. It destroyed many and cannibalised many. Eastern Europe, India, Persia etc already had flourishing civilisations when the barbarians of Arabia conquered them. There was music, and theatre and painting and arts. All fell into a dark and barbaric Islamic age.

You say “I am sure you and the whole West will be proud of being part of the Islamic civlization”.

I do not think so, thank you very much.

Please go back to your murderous “civilisations” of Afghanistan, Somalia, Sudan, the Sahara and the Middle East.

What would you know about civilisation you ignorant and deluded person."

Richard — August 28, 2011 @ 10:31 PM

"John Reflex you have almost got it but not quite. In saying that you have got only one thing partially right.

The way the west is fighting Islam is suicidal. When a person is going to punch you to death turning the other cheek is not the answer.

However "mirror fighting" is not the answer. You sacrifice the moral high ground and soon the issues are forgotten as we descend into barbarism.
We must fight to protect our civilisation and in doing so must not descend into the primitive practices of Islam.

We must recognise and declare Islam as a discriminatory cult. We are not doing that - we are saying Islam is a great religion.

We must educate our youth about this. We are not doing that - instead we are teaching them that all religions have their good points - utterly false.

We must outlaw their religious schools, madrassas the source of their propaganda - all this to start with.

If we do this to start with Islam will start to die out in a couple of generations.

I think David Cameron and Merkel have made a good start."

Richard — August 28, 2011 @ 10:46 PM

"Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy you must be crazy to believe in those lies.

You say “stop frightening your readers about Islam without reason” There is reason to be frightened about Islam. Millions of people including you have been brainwashed into its absurd, though murderous and discriminatory ideology.

What are you a doctor of? Islamic ideology? If Muhammad said "Seek knowledge even though it be in China” then please seek it. Only those really ignorant would believe that nonsense the charlatan Muhammad preached.

How many Nobel prize winners have converted to Islam?

The Quran says the Earth is flat (15:19, 20:53, 43:10, 50:7, 51:48, 71:19, 78:6, 79:30, 88:20, 91:6) and the Sun goes around the Earth (36:40) and goes to its “resting-place” or “stopping point” (36:38) and sets in a Muddy spring at night. (18:83- 85).

Did you know the Earth is round and not flat? And the Earth goes around the Sun and not the other way? And the Sun does not stop or have a “resting-place” at night?

You say “Islam is a religion of equality. It equalizes all humans and equalizes all races”!!! What audacity!! What a lie!! There is no equality in Islam. The woman is not equal to the man, the slave not equal to his master, the non-Muslim not equal to the Muslim. The homosexual not equal to the heterosexual.

It is the most discriminatory ideology on Earth.

You say “Why do you neglect the fact that Islam built over the centuries tremendous and fantastic civilizations that took the world from darkness to light”!!

Islam built no civilisations. It destroyed many and cannibalised many. Europe, India, Persia etc already had flourishing civilisations when the barbarians of Arabia conquered them. There was music, and theatre and painting and arts. All fell into a dark and barbaric Islamic age.

You say “I am sure you and the whole West will be proud of being part of the Islamic civlization”. I do not think so thank you very much. Please go back to murderous “civilisations” of Afghanistan, Somalia, Sudan and the Middle East. What would you know about civilisation."

Richard — August 28, 2011 @ 10:51 PM

"Armed infidel - the heedless

I eat Halal food and I drink Halah drink.

You eat porg and drink wine.

I marry women with a marriage contract.

You commit daily adultry outside marriage.

I lower the gaze when I see a strange woman.

You devour them with your greedy eyes.

Our women are chaste ane veiled.

Yours dance naked with the stars, and walk on the red carpet revealing their sexy parts.

We forbid lesbianism, homosexuality and gays.

You encourage such distorted societal images and urge them to get their legal rights! You have now homosexual priests and bishops in the churches!

The Book I live with is One Book, the Koran. It stood the test of time. It is guarded by Allah until the end of time. It is a universal Book, it came for me, for you and all others.

The Gospel of Jesus, the Gospel of Allah's unity, has been corrupted, it became several man-made books, each is different from the other. You are confused which book you read? Is it that of Paul, or mark, or Peter, or John or James?

I worship one God, Allah, the Lord of creation.

You associate with Allah in worship Jesus Christ, you worship with Allah a piece of wood, the cross, matters considered by the Koran a glaring polytheism, glaring blasphemy.

Allah forgives every sin if He wills but never will He forgive associating with Him any partners. This is the most unforgivable henious sin.

This is why Muhammad came to take your hand and your like to the right path, the path of rectitude, the path of true salvation, the path of Jesus that you obliterated, the path of pure monotheism.

But you and your like are obstinate and rebellious and will never submit to the will of Allah, your God and the God of the people of yore.

If Allah had willed, He would have given every person his guidance, but the Word from Him took effect, that He will fill Hell with people like you.

You have deadened all the faculties of reason and perception in you, they do not work, and they are as it were made for Hell.

You are but a parrot repeating the insults vomited from the dirty mouths of the Islamophobe hate mongers. You have no rational ideas to offer but insults. But every bad word you utter against Allah, His last Message to His servants, and the seal of His prophets will encompass you on the Day of Resurrection. Your own words will be a witness aginst you and your words will take you to an eternal life in Hell.

You incline to the earth and follow your vain desires. Your similitude is that of a dog, if you drive him away, he holls out his tongue, and if you leave him alone, he still holls his tongue out. Such is the parable of people like you who reject Allah's signs

Talking to you is useless and meaningless.

I end my conversation with the following Koranic verse:

We have created for Hell many jinn and men; they have hearts wherewith they undrstand not, and they have eyes wherewith they see not, and they have ears wherewith they hear not (the truth). They are like cattle. Nay, even more astray; those they are the heedless (Al'Anaam, 179)."

Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy — August 29, 2011 @ 5:50 AM

"In continuation of my talk about the pillars on which the Islamic civilization was built, I here include Muslim women.

Muslim women are half the society. They are our mothers wives and daughters. They are the core and foundation of the Muslim family which in turn is the unit of the society.

Bill Warner always talk about women persecution in Islam! He earnestly circulate this lie in his website. He even has a bulletin called "Women persecution"!

Since women in Islam are the building blocks of Islamic civilization, I find myself obliged to clarify the status and role of women in Islam.

In Islam, women are as human as man. They are not evaluated on basis of their gender, but on basis of their faith and character. Allah says:

"And whosoever does deeds of roghteousness, be it male or female, - believing - they shall enter Paradise, and not be wronged a single date-spot." (An-Nisa, 124).

So there is no difference in the level of woman's humanity or honor in Islam. In Islam man and woman are equal in rights; but equality is not synonymous to similarity. Islam believes that man and woman are equal but dissimilar. Islam looks at their different roles in society not as superior or inferior but as complementary to each other.

Women in Islam got all the rights they hope for. Woman in Islam is the queen of the family, half the society, has the right to marry, divorce, work, inherit, keep her family name after marriage, work as judge, minister, fight battles with men…etc. Again, sex in Islam means marriage and no sex without marriage.

Women are highly respected in Islam. The Prophet said:

"Avoid the seven great destructive sins. These are to join partners in worship with Allah, to practice sorcery, to kill without right a living being, to extort the property of an orphan, to flee from the battlefield at the time of fighting and to slander chaste and innocent believing women."

Islam teaches that the woman is not inherently inferior to man; rather man and woman are of similar nature. They both are equal in intellectual and spiritual capacity. Furthermore they are equally responsible for their deeds before Allah.
In Islam woman has a primary role to play in the constitution and running of the family. Prophet Muhammad taught his followers that paradise lies under the feet of the mother. In other words one must respect, honor and be good to one’s mother. It is noticeable in Muslim homes how the entire family pivots around the mother, and it is extremely rare in Muslim countries to hear of a mother or father being farmed off into a nursing home when they grew old.

Islam places great emphasis on the role of the Muslim woman as a wife and particularly as a mother. Muslims are often of the opinion that the best position of the woman is in the home with her children and family. However, the Muslim woman is not prohibited from leaving her home to pursue education, a career or other worthwhile goals that profit not only her but society as well. The Koran establishes the spiritual equality and mutual responsibility of man and woman in verses such as the following:

And their Lord answers them: “I waste not the labor of any that labors among you, be you male or female – the one of you is as the other (Al-Imran, 195).

A husband is commanded by the law of Allah to treat his wife with equity, respect her feelings and show kindness and consideration. He not only should avoid hurting her but also should bear with her if she ever does something disagreeable, so long as this clemency does not spoil her and she does not habitually behave out of bounds.
The Koran reads:

..and treat them (women) kindly (Al-Nisa, 19).

The Prophet said,

"Fear Allah, fear Allah in the matter of women. They are weak partners, a trust from Allah with you, and they are made by the divine word permissible for you."

He also said,

"Whoever of you whose wife behaves in a disagreeable manner and he responds by kindness and patience, Allah will give him rewards as much as Job will be given for his patience."

Also, the Prophet last sermon stresses kindness to women.

The relationship of the Muslim husband to his wife is not that of master to slave. Rather the entire responsibility of economic support is placed on the shoulders of the husband alone. The Muslim husband is responsible for the protection, happiness and maintenance of his wife. He is responsible for the cost of her food, clothes and accommodation. He cannot demand of his wife that she also become economically productive to support the family, although she is able to do this if she desires. The Koran explains this responsibility of men to women in the following verse:

Men are the managers of the affairs of women for that Allah has preferred in bounty one of them over another, and for that they have spent their wealth. Righteous women are obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah has guarded (Al-Nisa, 34).

One of the main duties of the wife is to contribute to the success and blissfulness of the marriage. The wife must be faithful, trustworthy and honest. She must not allow any other person to have access to that which is exclusively the husband right i.e. sexual intimacy. She must not receive or entertain strange males in the house without his knowledge and consent. She should not be alone with a strange male. She should not accept gifts from other men without his approval. This is meant to avoid jealousy, suspicion and gossip. The husband possessions are her trust. She may not dispose of his belongings without his permission.

A wife should make herself sexually attractive to her husband and be responsive to his advances. The wife must not refuse her husband sexually as this can lead to marital problems and worse still-tempt the man to adultery. The angels curse women who refuse their husbands, for this is one of the wife’s most important roles. The Prophet said:

"A wife must run to her husband if he calls her, even if she is occupied at the oven."

The purpose of obedience in the relationship is to keep the family unit running as smoothly as possible. The man has been given the right to be obeyed because he is the leader and not because he is superior. Obedience does not mean blind obedience, it is subject to conditions.

The wife must accept that if there is a dispute between her and her husband, he has the final word. In other words, she must accept his leadership. Authority is not the equivalent to power, much less absolute power, so men should not consider their position as one of power and the woman’s as subservience or submission. The office of leadership is not founded for the man. It is allocated to him and he is appointed to it because he is better qualified for the position. The man as part of the family unit is bound by the rule of the office. He is answerable to Allah at all times so he is not given free reign to rule as he pleases. His leadership is not unquestionable. If he does something unethical the wife is entitled to tell her husband that his behavior is unacceptable in Islam. The rights and obligations of each of the sexes are complementary. These rights and obligations are set out to give the marital relationship the best chance of success and survival. Just because a Muslim wife must obey her husband and cooperate with him it does not mean she is oppressed. It is Allah who knows what is best for His creation. If we have true faith we will accept Allah’s law so that we can prosper in this life and in the next.

The Prophet said:

"Allah Most High will ask each guardian about his charge. Did he guard or waste this trust? A man will even be asked about his family."

"All of you are guardians and responsible for your own charges. The ruler is a guardian and he is responsible for his subjects. A man is a guardian of his family and is responsible for his charges. woman is a guardian in her husband's house and is responsible for her charges. A servant is a guardian of the property of his master and is responsible for his charges. A son is a guardian of the property of his father and is responsible for his charges. For all of you are guardians, and all of you are responsible for your charges."

The Prophet also said:

"When a woman gives in charity from her husband's house, reasonably and without waste, she receives the reward of what she has spent and her husband receives his reward for having earned it and the storekeeper will have a similar reward. The reward of one does not decrease those of the others."

The important point that should be made is that the religion of Islam has great respect for the woman. It does not teach that she is without a soul or that she is the root of all evil, neither does it define a woman as being inferior and must be kept in seclusion and subjugation.

The Prophet companion Abu hurairah narrated the the Prophet said:

"Among the Muslims the most perfect, as regards his faith, is the one whose character is excellent, and the best among you are those who treat their wives well." (Tirmidhi 278, 628, 3264 and Abu Dawud).


Aisha, the wife of the Pophet, narrated that the Prophet said:

"Among the believers who show most perfect faith are those who have the best disposition, and are kindest to their families." (Tirmidhi 3263).

The Prophet said:

"He, who wishes to enter paradise at the best gate, must please his father and mother."

Both Judaism and Christianity preach that the fall of Adam from the Garden of Eden was the fault of Eve and as such women are to blame. This is not the teaching of Islam; the Koran directs all the responsibility to Adam himself, while adding that Allah turned to Adam in mercy and forgave him his sin. Therefore, Adam’s sin stops with Adam himself, and Allah does not hold mankind responsible for the sin of Adam and rejects the concept of original sin.

We are often asked why Muslim women are covered. The attire of a Muslim woman is that of modesty, where her figure is not apparent for outsiders and her head is covered with a scarf. In the present days where rape is a common occurrence in the West she finds modest clothing to be a protection from unwarranted advances by the opposite sex.

Western culture pretends to have liberated women and the Western media frowns upon Islam as oppressive to female rights. American women struggle to fit into this culture, and became extremely conscious of their appearance at all times. So much pressure is placed on women in the West to conform to an impossible ideal of beauty that demands them to be thin, fit and wear provocative clothes. Women are not allowed to grow old and their bodies are for public scrutiny. Eating disorders (anorexia and bulimia nervosa) are very common. At the same time they have to have brilliant careers and be good partners to their husbands, boy friends and children. Family values are weakening amongst the youth so that there are an increasing number of single parents.

In western societies, a typical woman's top priority in life is to enhance her physical beauty rather than her intellect. Her spirituality has no room in a society preoccupied with her attractiveness. Therefore, she wopuld spend her life striving more to realize her femininity than to fulfill her humanity (4).

Women in western societies are portrayed as very sexy, lady like, independent enough so that men have no real responsibility toward them or the children they help create, but independant enough that they are continually in search of new men as boyfriends. It would seem that a western woman's happiness hinges largely upon her access to nightclubs, alcohol and revealing clothes. The absence of such apparent freedom and luxuries in Islamic societies is seen as an infringement of her basic rights. However, such superficialities have very little to do with true happiness.

It is strange that the religion that had revolutionized the status of women is being singled out and denigrated as so repressive of women. Islam should be viewed as a religion that had immensely improved the status of women and had granted them many rights that the modern world had recognized only in the last century. In fact, women in Islam are given more rights, since the Koran was revealed to the Prophet more than 1400 years ago compared with the only recently rights given to non-Muslim women in western countries.

No wonder most of those who choose to become Muslims in a country like Britain are women. In the U.S. women converts to Islam outnumber male converts by 4 to 1. Islam has too much to offer for today's women: dignity, respect and protection in all aspects and all stages of their lives from birth until death, in addition to the recognition, the balance and means for the fulfillment of all her spiritual, intellectual, physical and emotional needs.

At a time when Islam is faced with hostile media coverage particularly where the status of women in Islam is concerned, it may be quite surprising to learn that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, and even more ironic to discover that the majority of converts to Islam are women.

Many may ask why American women would embrace Islam that not only supposedly oppresses women, but takes all their freedom and independence and treats them as a second class citizen! American women have good reasons for rejecting the freedom that women claim to have in the American society. They discovered that Islam is the only religion that truly liberates them by guarding their chastity, respecting their gender and giving them status and position. In Islam they found a system that gave them the ultimate respect for being mothers and acknowledged the fact that they were equal to men in every way except one; physical strength.

Muslims discipline in matters of sex strikes a positive note with many young people nowadays who lean towards modern 'value conservatism'. Many a western woman who feels hunted down by men in the street as a mere sex object admires Muslims at whose dress and composure send the clear signal that they are not cheap game. Given the ongoing exploitation of women in pornography, fashion shows, beauty contests, and sexually explicit commercials, many western women, partisans of women's emancipation, now understand that their Muslim sisters pursue the same aim – female dignity – but do so more successfully.

The strict Muslim position on abortion – ruling it out except if the mother's life is in real danger – commands more and more respect in 'pro life' western circles who deplore that even Catholic bishops nowadays permit abortion for all kinds of reasons. Islam is seen as taking a clear-cult pro life position in favor of the child.

Ambassador Herman Eilts, in a testimony in front of the committee of Foreign Affairs of the House of Representatives of the United States congress in 1985 said, "The Muslim community of the globe today is in the neighborhood of one billion. That is an impressive figure. But what to me is equally impressive is that Islam today is the fastest growing monotheistic religion. This is something we have to take into account. Something is right about Islam. It is attracting a good many people. Yes something is right about Islam and it is about time for the West finds that out." (4)."

Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy — August 29, 2011 @ 9:32 AM

"Obama should read this article, or at least somebody close to him.

Yes you can...

1/ Print this article thanks to http://www.printfriendly.com (2 pages, either 2 sheets or one if you print front and back, both are OK for a basic stamp)

2/ Put in an enveloppe

3/ Write the adress of the president, which is on the right of the page http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact

4/ put a stamp and snail-mail

FIGHT ISLAM : SPEND A STAMP !

Note that this method (stamp democracy) can work with most of the articles about islam : you just need to check point 1/ for maximum 4 pages (two sheets front and back max for a stamp) and adapt point 3/
Then either you add the print-stamp-mail suggestion directly at the end of your article, if you are a blog owner, or post it as a comment (including that last paragraph), if you're just a blog reader."

Lapujade — August 29, 2011 @ 9:38 AM

"Neither the numbers of Muslims in the world nor the rate of growth are indicators of the truth of the Islamic ideology. After all, Muhammad preached in Mecca for 10 years and gained only about 50 converts. It was not until he brandished the sword in Medina that the numbers began to grow. Since leaving Islam is a capital crime, the House of Islam is like the Roach Motel -- you can check in, but you can't check out.

Regarding Islam's treatment of women, nothing that Dr. Guindy quoted carries water. The Quran states quite clearly in Surah 4:34, "Men have authority over women because Allah made one SUPERIOR to the other . . . " The same verse orders men to beat their wives -- something that is illegal in most civilized countries. Finally, Muhammad, in his final sermon to his followers, instructed them: "Treat women well, for they are [like] DOMESTIC ANIMALS (awan) with you and do not possess anything for themselves." (Al Tabari's History, Vol. IX, para. 1755)"

Chris — August 29, 2011 @ 11:05 AM

"El-Guindy - the Misunderstander of Islam,

Since you brought up the topic of marriage, how many wives do you currently have? How may have you divorced? How old were they when you married them? 6 years old? 10 years old? 12 years old? Do you beat them regularly to show them that you are the big boss?

You forgot to mention how may sex slaves you currently own? And whether you share them and pass them around with your good friends?

Why are you avoiding any discussion with me about your thoughts on the attacks against America on 9/11? Let me make this so simple that even a dimwit like you can answer! Since you are still my student, here is a multiple choice pop quiz:

Who was responsible for committing the attacks against America on 9/11?

a. Buddhists

b. Christians

c. Hindus

d. Muslims

I know this might be a difficult one for you, but what is your answer? I will give you a hint, it is not the first three!"

Armed Infidel — August 29, 2011 @ 11:42 AM

"El-Guindy - The Misunderstander of Islam,

Perhaps you tell us all about Islamic "halal sex" Mu'ta Marriages? Is this what you meant when you wrote, "I marry women with a marriage contract." A couple hours? Couple of days?

As you know these temporary sham "marriages" for sex with Kafir women are approved in the Koran chapter 4, verse 24, right?

Does the woman have to be pointing towards Mecca during sex to ensure that Allah does not become angry?

After the temporary sham "marriage" of several hours to several days, then the "marriage contract" ends in a sham "divorce."

How convenient for Muslim men to have this option available...and it is approved by Allah himself!! Are female Muslims allowed to have this same Mu'ta Marriage with Kafir men of their choice too?

So, El-Guindy, The Misunderstander of Islam, try to explain this away, if you can!"

Armed Infidel — August 29, 2011 @ 12:34 PM

"El-Guindy, you forgot to mention that your conquest of the Middle East and of Europe was accompanied by a flood of innocent blood! How many hundreds of thousands of women and children did your Muslims slaughter in their obsession to force every one to accept ISLAM? Remember the town of Medina? That was the first of your lying treachery, wasn't it? Mohammad lied to the rightful inhabitants of Medina, and because they refused to accept his filthy Islam, he left the town, then sneaked back under cover of darkness, and murdered every man and boy, then raped the women and little girls, taking the most beautiful for slaves! Oh, and did I forget to mention, these poor people were JEWS!!
This set the pattern for the following 1400 years!! Lie to the inhabitants of a town, gain their trust...then slaughter them! And that is what the Muslims still are trying to do today, trying to gain the trust of ISRAEL, and when they think they have gained enough strength, ATTACK Israel!
But Jehovah God has promised He will defend Israel, and the Muslims will be destroyed, up to 2/3's of them, for daring to attack GOD'S Chosen People! So be warned, El-Guindy, because God's Chosen People are NOT Muslims!! And He is going to have NO mercy on those who attack Jerusalem and the Jews!!"

Christian Warrior — August 29, 2011 @ 9:16 PM

"This is my first comment on this blog. I'll be back."

Ross — August 30, 2011 @ 12:07 AM

"Response to
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/muslim-americans-say-life-is-more-difficult-since-911/2011/08/29/gIQA7W8foJ_allComments.html?ctab=all_#weighIn

9/11 was a controlled "false flag" demolition. The “Building No 7” collapse and other anomalies expose a wider conspiracy of gov't collusion and falsehoods. More investigation is needed into the “Pearl Harbor like” event that the neo-cons [Project for a New American Century] had dreamed for. All evidence of the crime scene was quickly trashed or sold to China and India, which is an unprecedented violation of criminal investigation procedures, 100% illegal. Official 9/11 Report is total whitewash. WAKE UP!
Remember that on Sept 10, 200, Rumsfeld announced that DoD and Pentagon "misplaced" $2.3 trillion, and it just so happened that the plane that hit the Pentagon oh so conveniently hit the very spot where those accounting records were kept “safe.” But, heh, who cares when the “War On Terror” wars of Afghanistan, Iraq, etc etc cost trillions.
Of course life is more difficult for Muslims since the scapegoat always takes blame and shame and gets the knife.
See for more http://terrorismbreedsterrorism.wordpress.com/
http://inlightofrecentevents.wordpress.com/"

ebbtideflowing — August 30, 2011 @ 1:05 AM

"Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy forget those pious words about your mythical heaven with its houris, young boys and rivers of wine and come down to Earth.

You say "In Islam, women are as human as man" - what a cruel, ironical lie. The testimony of a woman is half that of a man (Quran 2:282), the Quran says men are above women (Quran 2:228), she inherits half that of a man (Quran 4:11), they are equated as the property of a man (2:223) and the man can do what he wills with her, he can beat her (4:34, 38:44).
If she is raped she has to produce 4 witnesses to prove it (24:13). If she cant and the rapist or she is married then she has committed adultery and is to be given 100 lashes (24:2) or stoned to death (several Hadiths).

Sure however if she is innocent after she is stoned to death she will go to your mythical heaven to watch her husband have sex with houris and young boys - big deal!

Here is what happens in real life, not your mythical lies:

Fatwa No : 156817
A daughter accusing her father of sexual abuse
Fatwa Date : Jumaadaa Al-Aakhir 14, 1432 / 18-5-2011

Question
"A 14 yr old girl has accused her father of sexually abuse since the age of 9 and also of rape. The mother of the girl says the father has admitted the abuse but not the rape. The father is now flatly denying that anything happened and says the mother has misunderstood what he said. The girl is still adamant that it all took place and by the way the man is on bail. How would this be dealt with according to Islamic law?"

Answer
"All perfect praise be to Allaah, The Lord of the Worlds. I testify that there is none worthy of worship except Allaah, and that Muhammad is His slave and Messenger.

It is an abominable sin that a father sexually abuses his daughter and it is even more abominable if he rapes her. If he does so with any girl, it is strictly forbidden, let alone him doing so with his own daughter.

However, it is not permissible to accuse the father of rape without evidence. Indeed, the Sharee’ah put some special conditions for proving Zina (fornication or adultery) that are not required in case of other crimes. The crime of Zina is not confirmed except if the fornicator admits it, or with the testimony of four trustworthy men, while the testimony of women is not accepted.

Hence, the statement of this girl or the statement of her mother in itself does not Islamically prove anything against the father, especially that the latter denies it.

Therefore, if this daughter has no evidence to prove that her accusations are true, she should not have claimed that she was raped by her father and she should not have taken him to the court. But if what she says is true, then she has the right to ask for protection from him even by taking him to the court so that he would not continue committing this evil or practice more sinful acts with her. In this case, she would claim his dissoluteness and her fear of his evil so that she will be kept apart from him.

Allaah Knows best."

Allaah doesnt know a thing. I know a thing or two. The father is a filthy abuser but under your vile Islamic law he goes scott free and his daughter gets reprimanded even punished because she cannot produce 4 witnesses!

Some equality this vile religion has!"

Richard — August 30, 2011 @ 5:42 AM

"The link to that Fatwa:
http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=showfatwa&Option=FatwaId&Id=156817"

Richard — August 30, 2011 @ 5:44 AM

"And then there is another kind of terrorism that eventually is more devastating for the American way (Empire) i.e
May 6 2010 “Flash Crash”:
Wall Street plunge by almost 10 percent within 10 minutes, (700 points) in the so called "Flash Crash." A precision-guided High Frequency Trading (HFT) attack to show Congress who is real boss and to call off any meaningful regulation of "markets."
Max Keiser, who has written and authored about “Program Trading” and “HFT” computer algorithms, says:
“May 6th was an unequivocal act of domestic financial terrorism in America. A day that will live in infamy. To scare the lawmakers, themselves large owners of the very banks and stocks that they are supposed to be regulating, a financial Weapon of Mass Destruction was put to their head and they acquiesced.”"

ebbtideflowing — August 30, 2011 @ 6:06 AM

"above and below is
"Response to what you posted on
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/muslim-americans-say-life-is-more-difficult-since-911/2011/08/29/gIQA7W8foJ_allComments.html?ctab=all_#weighIn

9/11 was a controlled "false flag" demolition. The “Building No 7” collapse and other anomalies expose a wider conspiracy of gov't collusion and falsehoods. More investigation is needed into the “Pearl Harbor like” event that the neo-cons [Project for a New American Century] had dreamed for. All evidence of the crime scene was quickly trashed or sold to China and India, which is an unprecedented violation of criminal investigation procedures, 100% illegal. Official 9/11 Report is total whitewash. WAKE UP!
Remember that on Sept 10, 200, Rumsfeld announced that DoD and Pentagon "misplaced" $2.3 trillion, and it just so happened that the plane that hit the Pentagon oh so conveniently hit the very spot where those accounting records were kept “safe.” But, heh, who cares when the “War On Terror” wars of Afghanistan, Iraq, etc etc cost trillions.
Of course life is more difficult for Muslims since the scapegoat always takes blame and shame and gets the knife. But the reality in the final affair in truth and justice.
See for more http://terrorismbreedsterrorism.wordpress.com/
http://inlightofrecentevents.wordpress.com/""

ebbtideflowing — August 30, 2011 @ 6:09 AM

"why keep deleting"

ebbtideflowing — August 30, 2011 @ 6:33 AM

"my post ????

9/11 was a controlled "false flag" demolition. The “Building No 7” collapse and other anomalies expose a wider conspiracy of gov't collusion and falsehoods. More investigation is needed into the “Pearl Harbor like” event that the neo-cons [Project for a New American Century] had dreamed for. All evidence of the crime scene was quickly trashed or sold to China and India, which is an unprecedented violation of criminal investigation procedures, 100% illegal. Official 9/11 Report is total whitewash. WAKE UP!
Remember that on Sept 10, 200, Rumsfeld announced that DoD and Pentagon "misplaced" $2.3 trillion, and it just so happened that the plane that hit the Pentagon oh so conveniently hit the very spot where those accounting records were kept “safe.” But, heh, who cares when the “War On Terror” wars of Afghanistan, Iraq, etc etc cost trillions.
Of course life is more difficult for Muslims since the scapegoat always takes blame and shame and gets the knife.
And remember May 6 2010 “Flash Crash” Wall Street plunge by almost 10 percent within 10 minutes, (700 points) in the so called "Flash Crash." This was a High Frequency Trading (HFT) attack to show Congress who is real boss and to call off any meaningful regulation of "markets."
Max Keiser, who has written and authored about “Program Trading” and “HFT” computer algorithms, says: “May 6th was an unequivocal act of domestic financial terrorism in America. A day that will live in infamy. To scare the lawmakers, themselves large owners of the very banks and stocks that they are supposed to be regulating, a financial Weapon of Mass Destruction was put to their head and they acquiesced.”

See for more http://terrorismbreedsterrorism.wordpress.com/
http://inlightofrecentevents.wordpress.com/""

ebbtideflowing — August 30, 2011 @ 6:35 AM

"That sarcasm is a dangerous trait and can be considered blasphemous is an eye-opener for me.
Mulla Nasruddin and his ilk are in trouble."

Umra — August 30, 2011 @ 10:13 AM

"Ebb tides flow out. May ebbtideflowing and his ridiculous conspiracy theories make a quiet exit."

Chris — August 30, 2011 @ 11:55 AM

"PS Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy - about that rape and the Fatwa - that girl can only prove molestation and rape if she produces 4 MALE witnesses!

The fatwa says "The crime of Zina is not confirmed except if the fornicator admits it, or with the testimony of FOUR TRUSTWORTHY MEN, while THE TESTIMONY OF WOMEN IS NOT ACCEPTED"

If the mother of the girl, for example saw the rape and testified it would not be accepted.

And this is the law of the Almighty Allaaaaaah?

This is obviously a retrograde barbaric Arabic tribal law given by the medieval Muhammad."

Richard — August 30, 2011 @ 3:04 PM

"Richard the ignorant impudent, and the incompetent shaky, weak-kneed, Christian warrior.

I don't have time to answer the filth vomited from your ugly mouths. Every filthy word you utter about Islam is recorded and will encompass you on the Day of Resurrection. On the Day of Resurrection, the evildoers will be thrown on their faces then drawn in chains to Hell where they will live there for eternity. The harvest of their tongues will be the cause of their ruin and destruction. Your ugly words which amount to glaring blasphemy await you there to witness your arrogance, ignorance and blasphemy.

Well, inmates of Hell, why don't you increase in your insolence more and more, so you be roasted in Hell more and more. The book of life is short and soon you will know what is in store for you. A Fire that never abates, a Fire that never ceases asking Allah, "Is there any more (evidoers)?

I would advise you to put Islam aside (the perfect religion), and revise your adulterated religion in order torestore it from ugly tritarianism to pure montheism (Islamic monotheism).

Yes, you need to reform your religion according to the principles of the Koran before it is too late. Can you do that cowards? Or you only have the nerve to attack the last divine religiiom sent to mankind? The religion that came to tell you that
Allah will never forgive a man standing before him on the Day of Judgment saying, "My Lord, I worshipped you as one in three or three in one in a Trinty!" This is considered in the sight of Allah as the most henious and unforgivable sin.

Do you have the guts to reform your religion according to the monotheistic approach of the Koran, or you would rather prefer to live in darkness like night pats biting the flesh of the believers by talking falsehood. Under fake names - you cowards - you slander the Prophet and belie the Koran thinking that you are doing good deeds while in fact you but destroying your ownselves!

Guard yourswelves against a Fire that spares not any sinner nor does it leave anything unburnt. It burns and blackens the skins.

Every person is a pledge for what he has earned. The Koran is a warning to mankind. To any of you that chooses to go forward by working righteous deeds, or to remain blind by committing sin. And your sins are like mountains poor fellows."

Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy — August 30, 2011 @ 5:49 PM

"Dr. El-Guindy is quick to make threats against critics of Islam, but he doesn't respond to the specific objections raised by readers. If his calling is to convince non-Muslims that Islam is the perfect religion, then he must respond to the objections, or as the Koran says, "Hurl truth at falsehood." (Surah 21:18) So, let's take the case of those three young daughters of a Libyan father in Tomina who were raped by Gaddafi's troops in accordance wth the Quran Surah 33:50. Because they had been defiled, the father was forced to kill each them to preserve the family honor in accordance with Sharia Law (Reliance of the Traveler) m1.4. So where, Dr. El-Guindy is the sacred justice in all of this? A brief, fact-based answer will suffice."

Chris — August 30, 2011 @ 9:52 PM

"Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy you make me laugh. Your beliefs are childish and ridiculous. You have been frightened to paranoia since childhood with the absurd bogey-man threats of your Islamic hell. Fortunately I have not been. They no more frighten me than Harry Potter or Grims fairy tales. So please keep your threats to yourself - they only make me laugh.

When logic fails in the Quran, which was fabricated by Muhammad and Uthman, you are threatened with whipping, murder and the threats of its imaginary hell.

But seriously the "filth" that I "vomited from my ugly mouth" were merely quotes from the Quran. Are you committing blasphemy according to Islam? In which case please be quaking with fear of the fire to come.

Please have the guts to overcome your irrational paranoid fear of your imaginary Islamic hell.

The only way Islam could win a logical argument is with threats of violence, and eliminating all non-believers, which is its aim.

Here are excerpts of an interview with your countryman Sheikh 'Adel Shehato :

Q: "Do you support the uprising?"
Shehato: "...The [Egyptian] youth rose up for a certain ideal... They did not rise up in order to put the shari'a into practice, nor did they [complain] that Mubarak's regime did not rule in accordance with the shari'a... As Muslims, we must believe that the Koran is our constitution, and that it is [therefore] impossible for us to institute a Western democratic regime. I oppose democracy because it is not the faith of the Muslims, but the faith of the Jews and Christians. Simply put, democracy means the rule of the people itself over itself... According to Islam, it is forbidden for people to rule and to legislate laws, as Allah alone is ruler. Allah did not hand down the term [democracy] as a form of rule, and it is completely absent from the Arab and Islamic lexicon..."

Q: "If you do not believe in the rule of the people, why did you go out to Al-Tahrir Square with the slogan 'he People Wants to Implement the Shari'a?' Are you exploiting democracy in order to achieve what you want [only] to then abolish [democracy]?"

Shehato: "I am not exploiting democracy, since I have never joined and will never join politics or party activity... We believe that implementation of the shari'a [must be accomplished] far from the political game, though some [other] Islamic streams are willing to participate [in this game] in order to achieve the same goal [i.e., implementation of the shari'a]. We said that 'the people wants to implement the shari'a' because most of the people are Muslims, and also based on [our] reading of the situation on the ground. [At the same time,] we did not make demands for the people's sake in the people's name, but demanded the rule of Allah. And once Allah's law is instated, the role of the people will end and Allah will reign supreme."

Q: "How do you reconcile your opposition to the will of the people with the notion of shura [consultation] in Islam?"

Shehato: "'Shura' in Islam means that alongside the Muslim ruler, there is a steering council comprising the finest of the senior Muslim clerics, to be selected on the basis of their piety and political leadership [abilities]. But there is no consultation with commoners, such as workers and fallahin, nor is there consultation over issues that contravene the shari'a."

"The Christian is Free to Worship His God in His Church, but if the Christians Make Problems for the Muslims, I Will Exterminate Them"

He is talking about the Christian Copts in Egypt.

The "problems" they are causing is just existing.

He is threatening them because they are unarmed and outnumbered 10 to 1. But when the brave Egyptians fought the Israelis, who they only outnumbered 12:1, but who were armed (the swines) then they ran as fast as they could back to Cairo leaving their tanks and shoes in the sands of Sinai.

I guess they were not true believers in their heart of hearts. They forgot all about the houris awaiting them in paradise and all those smooth skinned young boys and rivers of wine."

Richard — August 31, 2011 @ 12:00 AM

"Please explain - Chis - to me how B No 7 fell, and how the market loss 700 points in ten minutes in the May 6 2010 “Flash Crash?
While you are at it, explain this too.
September 29, 2008: prices plunge on Wall Street in High Frequency Trading (HFT)
My Scenario: Immediately after the U.S. House of Representatives voted against the Troubled Asset Relief Program, the BIG banks manipulate a market plunge to a record 778 points, sparking widespread fear and panic that helped convince Congress to eventually pass the “bailout” of the Banks “too big to fail”.
What's your explanation, Chris. ?
By the way, did you read Harvard professor Niall Ferguson warns of sudden collapse of American “empire” by colossal debt. Maybe that is also conspiracy theory.
Or have you read the article:
Destructive Power of the Financial Markets in German magazine Der Spiegel
http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/0,1518,781590,00.html
Maybe that is also conspiracy theory?
Do you want some more, or should I “flow” out just because you scream “conspiracy theory” ad-nausea, or should I return flowing in like a tide tsunami."

ebbtideflowing — August 31, 2011 @ 12:04 AM

"In practice this is what barbaric Islam makes people do:

"Father slit throats of three daughters in 'honour killing' after they were raped by Gaddafi's troops"

"The father is said to have carried out the ‘honour killings’ because of his humiliation and shame at the rape of the sisters – aged 15, 17 and 18 – in Tomina, on the outskirts of Misrata. The victims were not named."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2031710/Libya-Father-slit-throats-girls-raped-Gaddafis-men.html"

Richard — August 31, 2011 @ 12:06 AM

"I am a student of the history of science. As I read books on Alchemy and ancient chemistry, I was struck with amazement at how Arabia had been the center for science in the 7th through 9th centuries when Europe was mired in ignorance.

Then I found a book that pointed out how islam became more conservative around the 10th century. The Christian and Jewish scholars who studied side-by-side with islamics were forced to convert to islam, to migrate or were killed. This explained why islam's "Golden Age" of science ended.

And just a few weeks ago I read an article on AOL about a team of bright Israeli computer scientists who had developed a program that analyzed the books of the Bible for authorship. They found over 90% agreement with the scholars who, for the past 200 years, have been determining how many authors the Bible actually had. Dull, dry, boring, you say? Perhaps to some, but the scientists achieved their answer in just a few weeks or months, not centuries!

I wrote to the team leader and asked if the same sort of analysis could be conducted on the koran. He replied in the affirmative, but noted that such effort needed to be "discreet." Of course, and I am interested in raising money to fund the team's work. Why? Because if it is shown that the koran had multiple authors, especially if they are in different centuries, that puts the lie to islam's assertion that the koran is "immutable." My motive is the furtherance of world peace.

I would hope that at least some of the moslems would recognize that their so-called religion is a fraud. And then, last week, I met a brilliant lecturer on the subject of understanding islam. I asked him my question about the koran. Without hesitation, he referred me to Atlantic Monthly, January 1999. It seems that several years ago, a trove of koranic writings dating to Mohammed's time and up through the 10th century was found and has been analyzed by German scholars.

The findings are that (a) koranic writings attributed to Mohammed via Angel Gabriel from Allah predate the life of Mohammed and are derived from Pagan beliefs, and (b) that portions of the koran, also attributed to Mohammed from Allah were written long after Mohammed died. Clearly, the koran is nothing to be revered and as a religion, islam is a massive fraud. The only parts of it that are meaningful are those that are in common with Judaism and Christianity. The rest is hate.

I've read part of what this Dr. El-Guindy wrote. He doesn't refute anything about islam on its merits, but rather engages in bullying and ad hominem attacks. Words like "cowards," "slander the prophet," "belie the koran," etc., illustrate the approach the islamicists use to silence their critics. But then, did those critics actually attack the evil root of this plague, or did they just try to "coexist?

You cannot coexist with islam because they wish to extract life from those who they cannot convert."

Jay Sten — August 31, 2011 @ 2:58 AM

"Chris says:
“The question is whether Allah is the same as the Jehovah-God...” etc.
Such ignorance!
Maybe Chris and others should study a bit and see what millions of Christians say when they proselytize Christianity in the Arab world, and say that as it is written in the Old Testament in Geneses that “Allah” created the heavens and earth, and as written in the New Testament say that Jesus is “ibn Allah” (son of Allah).
Whatever your answer to that is basically our answer.
So let’s hear it.
This article and comments cherry pick texts out of context, which is intellectually dishonest and low down, and anyone can to that.
And it begs the Samuel Huntington issue (if you guys have ever even heard of him).
For instance, how about a biblical ideology promoting scorched earth genocide and crimes against humanity, against Palestinians when Israelites were commanded to slaughters them all: men women, children, even their cows, donkeys, chickens, etc. Just READ!
Ohhh, .... that’s it ..... maybe really the guys here have hatred of all Palestinians and Arabs, and that’s what made the author write this drivel of an article and its title?
Hmm... Deep down they assuredly must hate all Arabs and blacks too. I guess Chris and others here are really racist against all Arabs in general, and they probably even hate all people of Arabs descent even like Ralph Nader, Edward Said, and Steve Jobs, etc etc.
I guess the solution is for them all too be packed up and deported “back home” along with all the Muslims like ‘Armed Infidel’ says (curious what he says about to where they all should go, and also what he says about the “black Americans” who are Muslims [I guess back to Africa] and “white” Americans who are Muslims [I guess back to England, Germany etc]).
Maybe you should just exterminate them all as traitors to ... well .... it can’t the Constitution ,,,, because wait ... the constitution didn’t include “Blacks” and them thar “Red” Indians and their rights either. Hmm .... so while we are at it send all blacks back to Africa and all them thar injuns back to ..... hum.... India .... (by way of Siberia where they came from, and send em by buses too since its cheaper our national budget (gotta be fiscally conservative guys) ... and din’t our Tea Party gal Sarah Palin say she built a bridge across them thar straights when she was a looking that thar foreigner country?)."

ebbtideflowing — August 31, 2011 @ 6:20 AM

"Wazzup Chris?
Doing some research, instead of just blurting out."

ebbtideflowing — August 31, 2011 @ 12:10 PM

"Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy talking about "civilisation" your charming countryman had to say about the subject:

Shehato: "There are Muslims and there are infidels. We will have ambassadors in every country. We want to call all other countries to join Islam, and that will be the task of the ambassadors. If [the countries] refuse, there will be war. We will not tolerate mutual trade and cultural ties with non-Muslims."
"In the [Islamic] State, There will Be Only Islamic Culture"

Shehato: "There will be tourism for purposes of [medical] treatment, but the tourism sites of the pyramids, the Sphinx, and Sharm Al-Sheikh will be shut down, because my task [as a ruler] is to get people to serve Allah rather than [other] people [i.e., tourists]. No proud Muslim will ever be willing to live off tourism profits, because the tourists come [to Egypt] to drink alcohol and fornicate. [If they] want to come, they must comply with the conditions and laws of Islam. We will explain to them that, according to the shari'a, the pyramids are [the remains of] a pagan and polytheistic age."

Q: "What will be the state of art and literature in such a state?"

Shehato: "In Islam, there is no such thing as art. Painting, singing, and dancing are forbidden. Therefore, in the [Islamic] state there will be nothing but Islamic culture, for I cannot teach [people] the infidel culture. As for literature, such as [the works] of Naguib Mahfouz, it is forbidden. Naguib Mahfouz was a criminal who stimulated [people's] desires and struck a severe blow to modesty. We will return to the decent culture of the Muslims and the Muslim forefathers, and to Islamic history."

(In other words to the stone age - stoning was/is the favourite pastime of the Islamists)"

Richard — August 31, 2011 @ 2:37 PM

"ebbtideflowing "Please explain - Chis - to me how B No 7 fell, and how the market loss 700 points in ten minutes in the May 6 2010 “Flash Crash? "

Dont tell anyone but I knocked it down then escaped in my alien spaceship when the tide flowed out.

ebbtide get yourself an education please"

Richard — August 31, 2011 @ 2:43 PM

"As it seems, Bill Warner doesn't like the words of President Obama he said in the Iftar dinner.

Do you know Bill that they found in Thomas Jefferson's library a version of the Holy Koran. A rational man like him found in the Koran human rights, democracy and justice that must be embeded in the American constitution.

Speaking of slavery, D you know Bill that Thomas Jefferson, the father of the American constitution ownned a black woman slave (his maid), and had love affairs with her?

Just for the record, no more"

Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy — August 31, 2011 @ 2:58 PM

"I teach only about Mohammed. Stay on subject."

Bill — August 31, 2011 @ 3:27 PM

"Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy, Thomas Jefferson never claimed to be a prophet of god.

Nor has it been claimed he was the most perfect man and we should model ourselves after him.

Still he did not marry a girl when she was 6 and have sex with her when she was 9. He was a far better human than Muhammad and of better educated too."

Richard — August 31, 2011 @ 3:47 PM

"Dr. El-Guindy:

Clearly you are unaware of the history behind Thomas Jefferson's ownership of a Koran. In the mid-1780s, U.S. merchant ships trading with Europe came under unprovoked and repeated attack from Muslim corsairs who were from Tunis, Algiers and Tripoli (the Barbary States). A number of U.S. seamen had been taken captive.

In March 1785, Jefferson and John Adams went to London to negotiate with Tripoli's envoy, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman (or Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja). Jefferson and Adams inquired as to "the ground of the pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury", to which Jefferson reported the ambassador's reply:

It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy's ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once.

Jefferson, being the inquisitive man he was, obtained a Koran to see for himself the basis of this inhuman practice. As the U.S. had no navy to speak of at the time, he arranged for tribute to be paid to the Muslims in order to stop their outrages. It is worth noting that when Jefferson became President, he greatly expanded the Navy and Marines and attacked the Barbary States in a war that lasted from 1801-1805 in order to free our captives and end the tribute.

Your claim that that the U.S. Constitution and other founding documents owe their genesis to the Koran can most charitably be described as magical thinking. There is no record that Jefferson was an admirer of Islam, and much evidence to suggest the opposite."

Stosh — August 31, 2011 @ 6:00 PM

"To ebbtideflowing -- part of the explanation of the wild stock index movement can be attributed to programmed trades. Many investors have automatic sell triggers that are computerized. So if stocks go down, there is a flury of selling that is transacted automatically. No sinister plot there.

Regarding Christians prostelytizing among Muslims and using the name Allah, that's the most familiar word for God. What other name could they use? My discourse above was not about the common term for God, Allah, but about the character and words of Allah, which are quite different from those of the Jehovah-God. A Ford pickup and a Ford Mustang have the same name, but they are entirely different inside and out.

Now, to Dr. El-Guindy's comment regarding Jefferson's Quran -- which was the 1734 translation by George Sale. Jefferson no doubt purchased that Quran to understand why Muslims along the Barbary Coast were attacking U.S. merchant ship, enslaving the seamen, and raping the female passengers. The first war the U.S. fought was to defeat the Barbary pirates. Now, here's what Sale had to say about Muhammad: "The scheme of religion which Muhammad (earlier called a criminal who imposed a false religion on mankind) framed, and the design and artful contrivance of those written revelations (as he pretended them to be) which compose his Quran, shall be the subject of the following sections. . . It is certainly one of the most convincing proofs that Mohammedism was no other than a human invention, that it owed its progress and establishment almost entirely to the sword. . . That Mohammed was really the author and chief contriver of the Quran is beyond dispute." Jefferson didn't find human rights, democracy, and justice in the Quran because it isn't there -- not in Sale's translation or any other.

That Jefferson had slaves is not an issue. It was legal then. Slavery was abolished due to Christian pressures in the United States in 1865. Slavery wasn't abolished in the Middle East until almost 100 years later. Some Muslim countries like the Sudan still practice slavery. Today about 12% of the U.S. population is African-Americans. Slaves in the U.S. were allowed to marry and have families. Slaves in the Middle East were castrated. That's why you rarely see an African living in former slave nations in the Middle East even there were large numbers of them there when slavery was practiced. We would call the practice of castration genocide today."

Chris — August 31, 2011 @ 6:21 PM

"Richard : Excellent!!!!!!
That explanation is better that what the gov't gave us!!!!
Chris Excellent!!!! But now read the Quran yourself and don't rely on others to cherry pick out of context.
About the markets.... way off since this just so happened to occur on those choice moments.
Read and reflect a little bit.
Don't gobble up the propaganda without your own research.
Still nothing about the other questions, like the 2.3 trillion "misplaced" etc"

ebbtideflowing — September 1, 2011 @ 2:03 AM

"You should read the new report
Fear, Inc.
The Roots of the Islamophobia Network in America
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2011/08/islamophobia.html"

ebbtideflowing — September 1, 2011 @ 2:27 AM

"Also reflect on
The Black Hole of 9/11
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/08/29/the_black_hole_of_911?print=yes&hidecomments=yes&page=full"

ebbtideflowing — September 1, 2011 @ 2:39 AM

"Richard Excellent , much better than the governments explanation.
Really addresses what the Engineers and Scientists for Truth and Justice about 911 are saying.
And what about the 2.3 trillion missing DoD funds, taken by space aliens too, beautiful for it shows just how much fiction you have manufactured for yourself and the New American Century
Chris. Really now it just so happened -Twice - at that critical legislative time, to help the too big to fail and jail but not bail banks, make more and more tax free money at the working man's expense.
Heh, how about ...
The Black Hole of 9/11

BY DAVID J. ROTHKOPF | AUGUST 29, 2011
who said,
...... In fact, the success of Osama bin Laden was in masterminding a low-cost, comparatively low-risk action by a handful of thugs that produced one of the most profound overreactions in military history. Trillions of dollars were expended and hundreds of thousands of lives lost in the emotion-fueled maelstrom unleashed by a shaken and clearly disoriented America.....
We spoke of 9/11 as though it were somehow equivalent to Pearl Harbor,....

OUCH

thats just what the neo cons said in the Project for a New American Century.

Ever read Sun Tzu's "The Art of War” section ... about
"encourage your enemies arrogance."
Yeh no worry,
We can easily borrow more from Chimerica, right, even after a credit downgrade (or is the Dollar being undermined) and pay more interest to the Banksters."

ebbtideflowing — September 1, 2011 @ 3:08 AM

"This article and comments cherry pick texts out of context, which is intellectually dishonest and low down, and anyone can to that.
And it also begs the Samuel Huntington issue (if you guys have ever even heard of him), but that's another story.
For instance, how about a biblical ideology promoting scorched earth genocide and crimes against humanity, against Palestinians when Israelites were commanded to slaughters them all: men women, children, even their cows, donkeys, chickens, etc. Just READ!
Ohhh, .... that’s it ..... maybe really the guys here have hatred of all Palestinians and Arabs, and that’s what made the author write this drivel of an article and its title?
Hmm... Deep down they assuredly must hate all Arabs and blacks too. I guess Chris and others here are really racist against all Arabs in general, and they probably even hate all people of Arabs descent even like Ralph Nader, Edward Said, and Steve Jobs, etc etc.
I guess the solution is for them all too be packed up and deported “back home” along with all the Muslims like ‘Armed Infidel’ says (curious what he says about to where they all should go, and also what he says about the “black Americans” who are Muslims [I guess back to Africa] and “white” Americans who are Muslims [I guess back to England, Germany etc]).
Maybe you should just exterminate them all as traitors to ... well .... it can’t the Constitution ,,,, because wait ... the constitution didn’t include “Blacks” and them thar “Red” Indians and their rights either. Hmm .... so while we are at it send all blacks back to Africa and all them thar injuns back to ..... hum.... India .... (by way of Siberia where they came from, and send em by buses too since its cheaper our national budget (gotta be fiscally conservative guys) ... and din’t our Tea Party gal Sarah Palin say she built a bridge across them thar straights when she was a looking that thar foreigner country?)."

ebbtideflowing — September 1, 2011 @ 3:11 AM

"address the points"

ebbtideflowing — September 1, 2011 @ 3:12 AM

"Ebbtideflowing writes, "Chris Excellent!!!! But now read the Quran yourself and don't rely on others to cherry pick out of context."

For ebbtideflowing's information, I happen to have numerous copies of the Quran. I have Mawdudi's commentary, as well as the well-documented translation by Muhammad Asad. Please cite for me any quotation I have taken out of context, and we will see what Mawdudi and Asad have to say about that.

What I have found about apologists for Islam is that whenever they cannot defend the Quran (which happens quite often), they either make threats to their critics or claim that the Quranic verse was taken out of context. The Quran says Allah hurls Truth at Falsehood (21:18). I am still waiting for someone to speak the truth from un-abrogated passages in the Quran."

Chris — September 1, 2011 @ 11:04 AM

"OK, good, you read for yourself, then you must know that the Quran is the Arabic version and nothing else, for translations are mere approximation and idiosyncratic (and thus all scholars must know Arabic to begin to talk about the interpretation and exegesis, but that's another subject).
Lets start with the "kill them" wherever they are' idea which is so often quoted out of context.
Any idea of the context of this part of the verse?
Is this an open ended law as many antagonists claim, or are there any conditions and modalities that apply, as mentioned by the scholars of jurisprudence that derive the legal rules and maxims from the scriptural texts of the Quran and Sunnah?"

ebbtideflowing — September 1, 2011 @ 4:14 PM

"Oh, yes, I forgot that other dodge -- the Quran can only be understood in Arabic. Give me a break. Every language is translatable. No, you can't get the most infinite nuances, but the Arabic word to kill will never be rendered, "give him a big hug."

Why don't we talk about a specific verse in the Quran you feel is "taken out of context" or that "can't be translated into English." Killing still results in someone being dead. That's not what religions should be about. Religions should be about helping people live longer and more fulfilled."

Chris — September 1, 2011 @ 7:01 PM

"I already asked you about a context, but zilch from you on that, (and so many other queries).
Assad and Maududi are not classical or authoritative, and are even deviant in many respects (Assad) and mistaken in some respects (Maududi), but I guess this is all above you.
And as for translation issue, as if you haven't read Bart Ehrman's book " Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why" on how scribes — through both omission and intention — changed the Bible, and his work is the result of years of reading the texts in their original languages.
But I guess you would say he is way off the mark by reading the text in Greek, and he should stick with ole King James to get the real meanings.
But wait, Jesus spoke Aramaic, as in "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"
Hmm.. Aramaic the sister language of Arabic. Greek is way far away linguistically. So who translated his real words of the "red" letter testament?
[BTW, they don't even know much of the ancient Hebrew, and thus had to take from Arabic to "revive" the dead language. Where else would the take from , Yiddish?]
No comment on the Bibles Old Testament commands of genocide??
What what about New testament:
Matthew 10:34
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Luke 12:51
Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Luke 22:36
He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
Revelation 19:11
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Not to mention crusades, inquisitions, pogroms, religious wars, colonial wars, WWI, WWII, Cold War, proxy wars, and Samuel Huntington's comment : "The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion, but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact, non-Westerners never do." —— The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order, p. 51."

ebbtideflowing — September 2, 2011 @ 10:41 AM

"As for killing, who gave us colonial genocides and WWI and WWII, etc.
Historian David E. Stannard notes that: “The destruction of the Indians of the Americas was, far and away, the most massive act of genocide in the history of the world.”
Lets leave the Spanish/ Portuguese for a while, and mention US General George Washington who gave the command to Major General John Sullivan to proceed against the Seneca Nation of the Iroquois Confederacy in Central New York State, 1779, saying: “But you will not by any means, listen to any overture of peace before the total ruin of their settlements is effected.... Our future security will be in their inability to injure us...and in the terror with which the severity of the chastizement they receive will inspire them.... Lay waste all the settlements around...that the country may not be merely overrun but destroyed.”
US President Jefferson in 1807 instructed his Secretary of War about Indian resistance to American expansion: “And if ever we are constrained to lift the hatchet against any tribe, we will never lay it down till that tribe is exterminated, or is driven beyond the Mississippi…. in war, they will kill some of us; we shall destroy all of them” Five years later Jefferson urged the government to pursue the Indians “to extermination, or drive them beyond our reach.”
And Jackson is the main executor of the notorious Indian Removal Act, and of the “Trail of Tears” ethnic cleansing episode when the entire settled and farming Cherokee nation was forced into exile from their native Georgia to Indian Territory in Oklahoma.
Later in the century we hear infamous 1869 remark by US General Sherridan “the only good Indian I ever saw were dead.”
The 26th president US president, Theodore Roosevelt, said: “I don't go so far as to think that the only good Indians are dead Indians, but I believe that nine out of ten are, and I shouldn't like to inquire so closely into the case of the tenth…”
He also said in his famous book “The Winning of the West,” (New York: 1889) that the European settlers “moved into an uninhabited waste...the land is really owned by no one....The settler ousts no one from the land. The truth is, the Indians never had any real title to the soil.”

Ten days before the “Battle at Wounded Knee” in which the 7th USA Cavalry massacred 300 people over two-thirds of them women and children, L. Frank Baum the editor of the Aberdeen Saturday Pioneer (and the famous author of the story “The Wizard of Oz” later made into the classic iconic film) urged the extermination of all native Americans, writing these memorable words: “The nobility of the Redskin is extinguished, and what few are left are a pack of whining curs who lick the hand that smites them. The Whites, by law of conquest, by justice of civilization, are masters of the American continent, and the best safety of the frontier settlements will be secured by the total annihilation of the few remaining Indians…. Why not annihilation? Their glory has fled, their spirit broken, their manhood effaced; better that they should die than live miserable wretches that they are.” After the slaughter of Wounded Knee he approved it saying: “we had better, in order to protect our civilization, follow it up ... and wipe these untamed and untamable creatures from the face of the earth.”
Should I go on?
Ever read "Bury my Heart at Wounded Knee"
And this is only about the Americans, and of we wanted to mention the English, French, Spanish etc etc, then to where?
Compare this to the spread of Islam wherein many people accepted Islam by the good character of the Muslims, and just rule of law, and those that wished to remained Jews and Christians under Muslim rule, and this is why many significant populations of Christians and Jews were in Yemen, Iraq, Egypt, Morocco, etc, remained intact up until the modern era and political Zionism and the terrorist gangs of Zionism like , Haganah, the Irgun Zvai Leumi and the Stern Gang, etc, and their infamous terrorist bombings in Egypt and Iraq, etc, if you ever studied the history, let alone MOSSAD and IDF treacheries."

ebbtideflowing — September 2, 2011 @ 11:06 AM

"Quoting the Bible to justify violence in Islam is called a tu quoque logical fallacy. It fails to convince because Christians do not resort to violence as a way of pleasing their God, whereas Muslims shout Allahu Akbar as they kill non-Muslims. Jesus said, Those who live by the sword will die by the sword. (Matthew 26:53)

Off topic, effluent flowing, and ever-more-convincing proof that Islam is NOT part of the U.S. civilization. Have a nice life."

Chris — September 2, 2011 @ 11:15 AM

"hmm,,,, ever read the history of the relation of science and religion,,, of Christianity compared to Islam?
Only when did Christians secularized did they start the path to science, whereas,
....
According to most historians, the modern scientific method was first developed by Islamic scientists, pioneered by Ibn Al-Haytham, known to the west as "Alhazen".
[Rosanna Gorini (2003). "Al-Haytham the Man of Experience. First Steps in the Science of Vision", International Society for the History of Islamic Medicine. Institute of Neurosciences, Laboratory of Psychobiology and Psychopharmacology, Rome, Italy.]
Robert Briffault, in The Making of Humanity, asserts that the very existence of science, as it is understood in the modern sense, is rooted in the scientific thought and knowledge that emerged in Islamic civilizations during this time.[Robert Briffault (1928). The Making of Humanity, p. 190-202. G. Allen & Unwin Ltd]
And so many others, if you seek and
read a bit."

ebbtideflowing — September 2, 2011 @ 11:20 AM

"Bill warner says, "I teach only about Muhammad. Stay only on subject.

I say, "First of all you are not qualified to talk about Muhammad the best of creation. Second, when you talk about Muhammad you must show complete respect, but you crossed the limits and brought upon yourself the wrath of Allah. None of your supporters or hypocrite applauders will benefit you on the Day of Resurrection. You will all stand before Allah to receive your due punishment. You know what this punishment would be?
You shall be thrust into the Crusher. You know what the Crusher is? That which smashes to pieces, the Fire of Allah kindled to a blaze and roaring over the hearts of the unbelievers, covered down upon them in columns outstretched."

Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy — September 2, 2011 @ 3:00 PM

"ebbtideflowing,

Have you considered changing your pen name to bullshitflowing? It would be more appropriate! Or perhaps apologistflowing; maybe quislingflowing?Any one of the three would be a better fit for you. - Armed Infidel"

Armed Infidel — September 2, 2011 @ 3:19 PM

"I am not justifying violence in Islam for we find protections and moral code.
Killing women and children and noncombatants is prohibited by the command of the Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him, as in the saying of the companion:
نهى عن قتل النساء والصبيان
“He (the Prophet) prohibited against killing women and children” The Prophet also gave the following instructions, peace and blessing be upon him:
اغزوا باسم الله في سبيل الله قاتلوا من كفر بالله اغزوا ولا تغلوا ولا تغدروا ولا تمثلوا ولا تقتلوا وليدا...
“Begin your fight with the Name of Allah against those who declare the state of disbelief in Allah. Fight against them, but do not breach your contracts or covenants. Do not mutilate the bodies of the fighters killed. Do not kill a newly born baby…”
And after a battle he found a women who had been killed and he sent a person to say to the commander Khalid ibn Waleed may Allah be pleased with him as follows:
"قل لخالد : لا يقتلن إمرأة ولا عسيفا " في رواية " ذرية ولا عسيفا "
“Say to Khalid ‘ do not kill a women or hired worker (noncombatant).” And in another version, children and hired worker (noncombatant).”
And in a battle some children were killed and he said in rebuking those who had transgressed:
"ما بال أقوام جاوز بهم القتل اليوم حتى قتلوا الذرية ألا إن خياركم أبناء المشركين ألا لا تقتلوا ذرية ألا لا تقتلوا ذرية كل نسمة تولد على الفطرة فما يزال عليها حتى يعرب عنها لسانها فأبواها يهودانها أو ينصرانها. "
“What is it with those who have exceeded in killing today even to the point that they have killed some children? Verily, the best of you are from the parents of Pagan idolaters. Do not kill the children! Do not kill the children! Every child is born on the ‘Fitrah’ (i.e. pristine natural state with innate inclination towards Islam) and continues upon that until he speaks and (thereafter) his parents make him into a Jew or Christian by their influences.”
Abu Bakr as-Siddeeq, the paradigm of Muslim virtue in Islamic government who was the first Muslim Caliph of the Muslims, gave the following advice to the Muslim army he commissioned: “…Do not betray or act treacherously. Do not steal from the war booty before its proper and lawful distribution. Do not breach your pledges and covenants with your enemies. Do not mutilate the bodies of the killed fighters; Do not kill a minor child, a woman, or an elderly man. Do not cut or burn a palm tree. Do not cut a fruit-bearing tree. Do not slaughter a sheep, a cow or a camel except for your food. You may come across people who seclude themselves for the worship of God, leave them alone. Do not bother them or cause any disruption to their lives.”"

ebbtideflowing — September 2, 2011 @ 7:28 PM

"BTW
Richard(and some others here) fault Islam since - to quote-
“....The homosexual (is) not equal to the heterosexual.”
Wow, did you say that!
Really now!
Include bisex, transvestites etc etc too OK
Please, Show me just one of the Jewish or Christian Scriptures that give “equality” to the “homosexual,” and which legalize sodomy etc.
Please just one.
Let us see your theology. pretty please.

Rather, sodomy etc. is a major crime, with capital punishment.

Rather, you will find God’s wrath upon the moral perversions and atrocities of Sodom and Gomorrah, for human excrement is a hazardous impurity to be buried or flushed away.
Human intelligence and hygiene demands purification from all kinds of poison and filth, and tell me, what is filthier, nastier and more toxic than human excrement?
Who but the vilest, lowest and stupidest people spread human excrement around in sport, amusement and play?
Isn’t this the first lesson of mothers to their toilet trained kids, saying, ‘Be careful kiddies to put the poo poo far away and not get any of that smelly filthy guck on you, and wash your hands real good with hot water and soap!’
Who in his right mind will destroy his own innate ability to have normal bowel movements, condemning himself to life in adult nappies and aftermath cleanups, by destruction of those special God given muscles which wisely and effectively help to fully “evacuate” body poisons of excrement?
Let alone psychological and moral effects.
That’s why sodomy laws are still on the books in many US states (although they are not enforced any more after so called modern emancipation from such “archaic abominations” grounded in common sense and law and Christian morality, right?).
Of course the origins of western civilization are among the Greeks, and their wanton homosexuality was infamously proverbial, and they spread their filth across Asia with Alexander’s path of pillage and destruction, to among other places .... Afghanistan.
And lo and behold, nowadays we find the infamously cruel culture of homosexual pedophile child slavery and rape in Afghanistan, fully facilitated, pampered and legalized (not hidden very well) by those representatives of Western civilization to the Afghan people, in the form of the American troops and NATO- ASAF command forces, who all are adamantly pro homosexuality as a fundamental western liberal democratic “human right,” and thus they protect and nurture this pedophile slavery and rape (along with the opium and heroin, of course, another personal choice and life style issue [along with the zillions of profits]) to keep the criminal secular Afghan troops in their stupor and pleased in their role as puppets and vassals, and to further the secular agenda to transform Afghan society on western patterns of moral filth and corruption, on top of local varieties of engrained evil.
Wow, Richy (and the other facilitators) this one on sodomy promotion truly shows your colors (pretty dirty by the way)."

ebbtideflowing — September 2, 2011 @ 7:32 PM

"BTW, its called
bacha bazi
just google it to see for yourself,
and see the adornments of western enlightenment entrenching a local evil that every Muslims seeking purity for the sake of family and decency, considers to be wholly criminal and punishable, but not NATO -ASAF , nooooo way , its all part of the local empowerment plan, human terrain studies, counter insurgence at it best, they are active facilitators (and how many are involved in it their filthy selves, getting their own pleasures, only God knows, sort of like the rampant drug running and abuse among all the troops)."

ebbtideflowing — September 2, 2011 @ 7:44 PM

"Dear A infidel,
Thanks,
a gift for me,
that's really a gem,
when you are impotent to respond in an intelligent manner with proofs,
call the person names,
great tactic,
beautiful,
but of course
don't respond to the point mentioned.

Best Regards,
Your Brother in Humanity
Seeking Truth which will set you free"

ebbtideflowing — September 2, 2011 @ 8:10 PM

"@ ""BTW Richard(and some others here) fault Islam since - to quote- “....The homosexual (is) not equal to the heterosexual.”
Wow, did you say that! " (Cant you read?)
"Really now!
Include bisex, transvestites etc etc too OK
Please, Show me just one of the Jewish or Christian Scriptures that give “equality” to the “homosexual,” and which legalize sodomy etc.
Please just one.
Let us see your theology. pretty please."

ebbtideflowing you sadly lack intelligence.

If indeed in Jewish or Christian scripture homosexuals are "not legalized" that doesnt change the fact that the homosexual is not equal to the heterosexual in Islam.

In fact they are so unequal that under Islamic Law, Sharia, homosexuals are to be stoned to death.

Also there is a difference, ebbtideflowing, between the Jewish and the Christian theology and the Islamic one.

The Islamic theology says that the Quran is the direct word of God and is prescriptive in its commandments, except the older milder non-violent "Meccan" verses which have been "abrogated" by the later, violent and murderous "Medinan" verses where Muhammad gained supreme power and it supremely went to his head.

The Sharia according to Muslim theology is the direct word of God, to be followed immutably to the letter.

No Christian nation, (countries where Christians are the majority), or Israel, have laws which prescribe stoning for homosexuals. Israel has abolished capital punishment.

In fact all the laws of western nations prescribe equality under the law for everyone, regardless of gender, race, belief or sexual orientation.

Educate yourself ebbtideflowing."

Richard — September 2, 2011 @ 9:02 PM

"PS - slight correction - The Quran is the direct word of God to be followed to the letter and the Sharia are the laws of God which follow from the Quran and the Hadiths"

Richard — September 2, 2011 @ 9:05 PM

"I wonder why, despite all their propaganda against fundamentalism, extremism. terrorism, etc., the target of the western powers are the comparatively liberal Muslim rulers like, Sadam, Hussni Mubarik, Qazafi, etc. and not the countries which are known as the epicenters or supporters of the said vices?

Is it not the dualism of the worst type?"

readinglord — September 2, 2011 @ 9:10 PM

"readinglord there is a saying which goes "Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity",

Corollaries to that would be:- Never attribute to dualism, careful planning, intelligence or indeed any coherent thought processes what can adequately be explained by stupidity.

People like Saddam Hussein, Qaddafi etc are products of Islam. Islam throws up one despotic ruler after another - that is the system of Islam.

Power is assumed and maintained by violence. Once these despotic rulers assume power they may become "comparatively liberal" by realising they have to live in the world community and suppressing the "more radical" people in their population.

The "more radical" are simply the people without power who still follow Islam and want it implemented in toto.

Most western leaders simply do not have the courage or the intelligence to recognise the enemy, name it and fight it intelligently.

The source of the "radicalism" is simply Islamic beliefs. The source of the beliefs are the Quran and the Hadiths and the Islamic indoctrination machine, the Mosques, the Madrassas (the Muslim religious schools) where children are indoctrinated. They have to recognised as hateful and violent indoctrination machines and banned.

This will be met with violence and that violence will need to be quelled."

Richard — September 3, 2011 @ 12:02 PM

"After reading through these posts, it is clear to me more than ever that organized religion or in the case of Islam organized cultism is responsible for more human grief than any other human construct. And lets not kid ourselves by pretending that these old documents were somehow dictated to mankind directly from God/Allah or whatever you wish to call said all powerful being.

The only true relationship a mere mortal can have with his God or (insert favourite all powerful deity's name here) is extremely personal. It cannot be dictated from one man to another.

Basic morality and a sense of right and wrong is borne out of an evolutionary process of a fundamental human desire to continue living and to thrive while minimizing stress, injury and death.

Trial and error is very much the domain of mankind, as we are incapable of knowing the mind of an all powerful and omnipotent being who presumably represents that which is absolutely right. The legal system as imperfect as it is, is designed to be malleable, to adapt to this evolutionary process of finding the right path. We look at the results and we modify accordingly.

The scientific method in it's purest form is the only true yardstick with which to test a model, it precludes prejudice and absolutes, it is open to the possibility of bucking the norm. Experiment yields results, and these results can be held up to scrutiny.

While Christianity is no angel (pardon the pun) in terms of it's bloody past, Islam has not evolved past it's bloodthirsty ways. I have yet to hear of a Christian blowing himself up and killing innocent people in the name of God. Taking a life, is taking a life, period! Unless that person intends to take yours, you do not have the right to take theirs. Many people suffer and die in the name of Islam, this cannot be the basis of a peaceful religion end of story.

Muslims can quote chapter and verse until the cows come home it will not change the fact that many innocent people have died because of a backward and medieval construct that is Islam. It is a "religion" born out of the mind of a hateful and bloodthirsty man. It is a religion that attracts the weak of mind and the weak of will. To me it is nothing more than an organized gang, there are many parallels. They are just blessed with a long history.

A man who slits the throats of his own daughters because they were raped by some evil men is the lowest form of human being ever born on this planet. He, and the men that raped his daughters do not deserve to be called men of God or Allah. This is not a religious concept for me, this is a basic right and wrong concept. I am not a religious man because I have my own unique relationship with the universe which you are not allowed to dictate, because it is mine, and moreover, why should that relationship offend anyone or be any of their business?

Religion's days are numbered, I am sure of it. My hope is that we will in the next few centuries, climb out of the primordial ooze that we are still clinging to with this ancient hate and ancient ideas."

litmustest — September 3, 2011 @ 12:21 PM

"To Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy, I find it incredibly hypocritical that a man of science as yourself can spew forth such nonsense. You are practicing the very thing that is frowned upon by Islam, free scientific thought. You must be incredibly conflicted."

litmustest — September 3, 2011 @ 1:08 PM

""After reading through these posts, it is clear to me more than ever that organized religion or in the case of Islam organized cultism is responsible for more human grief than any other human construct. And lets not kid ourselves by pretending that these old documents were somehow dictated to mankind directly from God/Allah or whatever you wish to call said all powerful being.

The only true relationship a mere mortal can have with his God or (insert favourite all powerful deity's name here) is extremely personal. It cannot be dictated from one man to another.

Basic morality and a sense of right and wrong is borne out of an evolutionary process of a fundamental human desire to continue living and to thrive while minimizing stress, injury and death.

Trial and error is very much the domain of mankind, as we are incapable of knowing the mind of an all powerful and omnipotent being who presumably represents that which is absolutely right. The legal system as imperfect as it is, is designed to be malleable, to adapt to this evolutionary process of finding the right path. We look at the results and we modify accordingly.

The scientific method in it's purest form is the only true yardstick with which to test a model, it precludes prejudice and absolutes, it is open to the possibility of bucking the norm. Experiment yields results, and these results can be held up to scrutiny.

While Christianity is no angel (pardon the pun) in terms of it's bloody past, Islam has not evolved past it's bloodthirsty ways. I have yet to hear of a Christian blowing himself up and killing innocent people in the name of God. Taking a life, is taking a life, period! Unless that person intends to take yours, you do not have the right to take theirs. Many people suffer and die in the name of Islam, this cannot be the basis of a peaceful religion end of story.

Muslims can quote chapter and verse until the cows come home it will not change the fact that many innocent people have died because of a backward and medieval construct that is Islam. It is a "religion" born out of the mind of a hateful and bloodthirsty man. It is a religion that attracts the weak of mind and the weak of will. To me it is nothing more than an organized gang, there are many parallels. They are just blessed with a long history.

A man who slits the throats of his own daughters because they were raped by some evil men is the lowest form of human being ever born on this planet. He, and the men that raped his daughters do not deserve to be called men of God or Allah. This is not a religious concept for me, this is a basic right and wrong concept. I am not a religious man because I have my own unique relationship with the universe which you are not allowed to dictate, because it is mine, and moreover, why should that relationship offend anyone or be any of their business?

Religion's days are numbered, I am sure of it. My hope is that we will in the next few centuries, climb out of the primordial ooze that we are still clinging to with this ancient hate and ancient ideas.""

litmustest — September 3, 2011 @ 1:22 PM

"Richie,
your not answering any the points due to impotency.
The western nations are secular, and consenting adults can do whatever they want to smear excrement over each other, since they do not have any faith in God or His Laws and the Final Judgement, but of course I was talking about Moses and Jesus peace be upon them and the Law of Sodomy in the scriptures.
So define for me "Our Civilization" in the title since you seem to say it doesn't include Christianity and Judaism and the scriptural laws, but only secularism, liberalism, hedonism, oligarchy of the super rich elites as proven that they love market crashes and war since they make so much money out of suckers, as in what President Baby Bush said: “If money isn’t loosened up, this sucker could go down,” as he watched the $700 billion bailout package fall apart, meaning before the Goldman Sachs HFT :Flash- Crash" convinced them to give the taxpayers money tho the BIg Banksters so they can turn around and suck more money out of the system and give themselves bigger benefits etc etc
Maybe read some current history.
Oh, You’ll love Noam Chomsky and his buddies... right, and how about watching Alex Jones for some fun, you’ll get a kick outta him, and take a peek at Mother Jones, Rolling Stone, Global Research, Joseph E. Stiglitz, Niall Ferguson, Jared Diamond, Richard Engdahl, Roubini, Sebastian Mallaby, JOHN MAULDIN, G. Edward Griffin, David C Korten, G. William Domhoff, Paul Craig Roberts, Sibel Edmonds, Charles Derber, Michael Scheuer, Peter Dale Scotts, Daniel Yergin,... and so many, some mentioned above (not to mention scriptures of the Quran, Sunnah and Bible to compare)... hippidy hip hip hop down the rabbit hole. Maybe you will SEE the Truth and then FOLLOW it, maybe after you will remain blind, and maybe you will see it freak out.
Certainly you should investigate."

ebbtideflowing — September 3, 2011 @ 9:44 PM

"ebbtideflowing the only "excrement" over here is the murderous filth that pours out of the Quran and the Hadiths.

Whenever Muslims are pointed out the henious crimes committed by Muhammad, such as the beheading of men of the Jewish tribe of the Banu Qurayza, and the boys who had the misfortune to have pubic hair, and the selling of their women and children into slavery, the rape of the women of the Bedouin tribe of the Hawazin etc etc Muslims turn around and say but in the Bible Joshua also killed women and children as though that exonerates Muhammad for his crimes.

If Joshua was a murderous killer that does not make Muhammad a saint. He was a genocidal killer in his own right.

What is important is No Christian follows Joshua today (or ever did for that matter). They follow Jesus who said love your neighbour as yourself, turn the other cheek and do unto others what you have them do to you. The example they follow is not that of a murderous caravan raider and plunderer and despot.

In the case of the rape of the women of Hawazin even Muhammad's followers had qualms of conscience, because they were supposed to be raping the women whose husbands they had just murdered. The so-called barbaric tribal laws that Muslims claim were replaced by more humane Islamic laws, were far more humane and just than the barbaric sharia they were replaced by.

But lo and behold, to calm their conscience, Muhammad had a vision which he incorporated into the Quran 4:24 "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess."

That is the excrement that you believe in ebbtideflowing.

Muhammad himself had no qualms about killing a womans husband and sleeping with her the same night as he did with Saffiya after torturing her husband to death.

This is the example you follow ebbtideflowing.

When you say "The western nations are secular, and consenting adults can do whatever they want to smear excrement over each other, .." what you mean is that we have freedom, freedom to do as we please so long as it does not harm another. And not governed by the excrement of the Quran, Hadiths or Sharia.

If two persons, be they women or men, are homosexually orientated what they do amongst themselves is no one elses business.

"So define for me "Our Civilization"" -

Our civilisation, ebbtideflowing, consists of art, culture, music, science, freedom of thought and expression and equality under the law.

We have beautiful sculpture and paintings, we do not destroy them as sinful, like you did in Bamiyan, we have drama and singing - all considered sinful by the murderous Muhammad.

We are not slaves like you to your despotic "Allah" (read Muhammad) and his despotic laws and we will never be."

Richard — September 4, 2011 @ 4:30 PM

"well I've red all the views and ideas above but I'll not discuss them any more. being a Muslim,I'll just say one thing on which i have the strongest believe that there is no GOD but Allah and Muhammad (pbuh) is the last prophet of Allah and Holy Quran is the last and complete book of guidance for all. those who have the misconceptions about Islam , i must suggest them to get
Quran education
so that you can rectify yourself."

Quran — September 5, 2011 @ 8:10 AM

"Richard and political Islam answers

Oh, dear Richard, is that an intelligent, scholarly way of conversation, by throwing such filthy language at the Sacred Book which approximately a billion revere as the revealed word of God?
I would never say such a thing about the Bible (even though, I believe some parts have been changed by “editors,” as I indicated before with scholarly reference of someone who studies the original Greek and proves those corruptions to the sacred text).
Is this about issues, or just insults and abuses?
You are avoiding the issue! People here accused Islam of being “homophobic” and that is what I was addressing.
Now.
Is sodomy a crime in Christian and Judaic law or not?
Answer straight.
And by the way, yes, indeed, it is about the danger connected - biologically, physically and medically - with the germs and filth of spreading human feces and excrement.
That’s part of the act of sodomy, and part of why it is a crime in Christian and Judaic and Islamic law.
Sodomy is not a crime of course in modern secular law, and that’s one of the things which the evangelicals scream about night and day, on how USA is immoral, and God will punish us for all this immorality which is destroying the country, etc etc, and we are a modern harlot Babylon etc etc (just listen to them, 700 club, etc).
Now the bigger question.
The title mention of the article mentions “our civilization,” and sodomy as a accepted “lifestyle way is the Pagan Greek way, which is part of the Western civilization heritage, so my question to you is, by this attack on Islam as “homophobic,” which part of “our civilization,” are you talking about, the Christian-Judaic part, or the secular part?
Be bold and honest and let’s hear you talk to the point, and not divert away by hurling abuses and insults, which only diverts away from an intelligent, scholarly debate about important issues.
If you openly state that you include the Christian-Judaic part, then let’s hear what you say about the crime of sodomy. Be honest.
If you openly state that you exclude the Christian-Judaic part, then I must assume that you are all proud to be like are as A infidel here on the forum, because the word “pagan” and “infidel” are words used to describe the person who is outside the monotheistic faiths of Christianity, Judaism and Islam."

ebbtideflowing — September 5, 2011 @ 3:21 PM

"ebbtideflowing you want to have an intelligent and scholarly conversation on an unintelligent and unscholarly subject.

What is intelligent or scholarly about prescribing a punishment of stoning to death for sodomy followed by eternal torture?

Firstly it is not a crime except in Islam, secondly the punishment in Islam is infinitely disproportionate to the alleged offence - infinite torture for a finite “crime”, defined arbitrarily as such by Muhammad.

Do you want to have an intelligent and scholarly conversation on the subject of sodomy? You say that it is unhygienic and spreads germs and that is why it is crime in Islamic law. Perhaps you are also implying that it is the cause of AIDS.

For your information it is not. It can be a means whereby AIDS is spread but the cause of AIDS is a virus. We know today that illnesses are not a curse of Allah or as a result of the sins we have committed but due to infections of viruses or bacteria.

The primary method of the spread of AIDS in Africa is through heterosexual intercourse.

A person who gets a serious illness should not be stoned to death. Such a punishment would only be prescribed by an ignorant barbarian.

There are no “crimes” in Christianity unlike in Islam. A crime according to Wikipedia is the breach of rules or laws for which some governing authority ..can ultimately prescribe a conviction.

There are only sins in Christianity and according to Christianity all sins can be forgiven. All the sinner has to do is to acknowledge his sin and repent truly in his heart.

Many Christian churches with hundreds of millions of members do not view monogamous same sex relationships as sinful or immoral.

Jesus repeatedly overturned the laws of Moses, with the words “But I say unto you…”. In the case of a woman caught in adultery he said “neither do I condemn you” (to any punishment), he said the laws were made for man and not man for the laws.

So Christian law is western law. The basis of our morality is the golden rule, which Jesus gave as the basis for the laws - “Do unto others what you would have them do unto you.”

And in western laws sodomy between two consenting adults is not a crime.

Ebbtideflowing you seem to think that the word pagan is a dirty word. That western civilisation is somehow polluted and inferior because the roots of our civilisation are in Greek and Roman culture.

This is just a twisted prejudice in your mind. The Greeks and Romans were not, as you imagine, utterly and completely evil, far from it. They were not universally homosexual either for that matter.

They were a very tolerant people and thus tolerated homosexuality and were not homophobic or homicidal towards them as in Islam.

Why do you want to focus laser like on homosexuality? You have not addressed that Islam besides being homicidal towards homosexuals is also homicidal towards people of other beliefs, atheists, apostates and those who criticise Muhammad.

This is unique to Islam. No other religion mandates the killing of apostates and those who criticise it and its founder other than Islam.

In this respect Muhammad is the same as Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, Kim Il-sung, Qaddafi or any other despot.

You asked for a definition of our civilisation and I have defined it. It is not to your liking. You would prefer me to call it decadent and immoral instead of free and just.

You say that you would never say such a thing about the Bible. Muslims honour the Bible by burning it, as thousands of Bibles have been burnt in Iran, the Middle East and Afghanistan and also killing the people who preach or distribute it.

It was not my intention to hurt your feelings but I have only pointed out some of the obvious truth about the Quran and Muhammad.

There are no surviving pagan, Christian or Jewish accounts of Muhammad's deeds as they were all exterminated by him. What Muhammad did we know from the Hadiths and the Siras written by Muslims.

You keep saying billions of Muslims believe in this or that as though the number of people believing in something somehow makes that belief true. It doesnt. One plus one doesnt equal three, whether one person believes it or a billion.

Islam has a superb indoctrination machine, its madrassas - the Islamic schools - where young children are indoctrinated into its beliefs. The process of delusion is the same for one person as well as for a billion. When a billion people believe something they reinforce each others beliefs and so the process goes on.

The only way to combat this is to ban the indoctrination machine and teach our children the truth in our schools. Neither of which we are doing."

Richard — September 6, 2011 @ 6:57 AM

"You have shown me with your answer that for you the Greek-Roman takes total precedence over the Judaic-Christian.
Obviously you do not believe in any faith because it would mean the belief in God and the Day of Judgment and Paradise and Hellfire and an acceptance in the Laws of Scriptures, and one of the laws of scripture – which I used to expose you position - includes condemnation of sodomy and death penalty for the crime.
You are in denial, for just read the story of Abraham’s guests with Lot, and the terrible punish for Sodom, from which the word is derived? And in Leviticus (New King James Version) 22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.”
Lev 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death."
The Bible prescribes the death penalty for the following activities, among others:
• Murder
• Adultery
• Bestiality[13]
• Rape [14]
• Engaging in sodomy [15]
Etc etc. [see Wikipedia Crime and punishment in the Bible]
And Jesus came to confirm the law, as he is reported to have said: Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. King James: Matthew 5:17
He did not stone the adulterer by abrogating the law, but was showing them how morally low they had become since they all were criminal and no one was innocent and thus able to throw the first stone. He gave them a lesson of morality for them, not meant to eternally abrogate the law of Moses.
And in the New Testament:
1 Cor 6:9 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals" 1 Tim 1:9-10
This issue is one of which is what all the evangelicals (said to be 70 million strong in USA) rage about night and day, and say about true nature of “marriage as between man and women” and not man and man, etc, as you well know, along with abortion and other cultural war etc.
Of course, all these moral laws are wiped away by the modern secular laws of “free” sex, and the sexual revolution had much to push this agenda.
The reluctance to have children and breakdown of the tradition family is one reason why the western world is in historical demographic decline, put that is another issue
Yes Hellfire is real, and the abode of those atheists and secularists and pagans those mock God and His law, and make their own man-made laws superior to Gods laws.
Nowadays we see more and more that these laws grant privileges and slant the system to the super rich, and this is why the trickery and fraud of Washington and Wall Street, (or the City in London, etc), the Super Rich Corporate Oligarchy, is destroying the middle class by their greed to control more and more wealth and privilege. But of course for you this Roman pagan legacy is fine, I guess, since they were enlightened and tolerant to homosexuality, etc. Oh, and their orgies and their proverbial gluttony is just fine with you, I guess, where they would eat so much and then vomit to start again in gorging themselves and orgy. Modern hedonism and ancient hedonism, twins, and we see the decline of the American Empire is similar yet faster than the decline of the Roman Empire.
Of course “our civilization” in the title of this article for you is the Roman and not the Judaic-Christian, and of course Islam indeed in not anyway related to pagan idolatry and injustice of the privileged elites on the others.
Indeed you should reflect on how your desires have blinded you to even be able to read openly without bias, and to assess the truths indicated by scriptures.
My point has been proven by this one issue of your promotion of homosexuality, which lead you to outright brazen denial of facts of scriptures of Judaism and Christianity in your blind love to promote and legalize homosexuality, your denial to the issues raised, and repetition of slanders which have no factual basis but are rants copied and pasted like so many other."

ebbtideflowing — September 6, 2011 @ 6:55 PM

"Well said Richard, I could add that billions of people smoke cigarettes, it wasn't thought to be bad for you not all that long ago, but now we know much better. It's called progress. It's called looking forward to the future and not dwelling in the past. That past is gone, save for what we can hopefully learn from it. Islam chooses to live in the past and cling to it with arcane laws and bloodthirsty punishments. It is a logically flawed contstruct, a HUMAN construct and nothing more. It is like most religions there to exploit those who are weak or do not know any better.

ebbtideflowing, please explain to me how the slaughter of three innocent girls by their father only because some evil men raped them is just and right? Those girls did not deserve to die, their only crime being that they were women? Explain that one for me please because this is a sanctioned practice in Islam. Regardless of any other thing you can argue about in your religion, this one act of many in your history of equal amoral acts is all I need to convince me that Islam is and always will be about terror, punishment and exploitation and the antithesis of human progress as a species."

litmustest — September 6, 2011 @ 7:00 PM

"WOW
You have shown me with your answer that for you the Greek-Roman takes total precedence over the Judaic-Christian.
Obviously you do not believe in any faith because it would mean the belief in God and the Day of Judgment and Paradise and Hellfire and an acceptance in the Laws of Scriptures, and one of the laws of scripture – which I used to expose you position - includes condemnation of sodomy and death penalty for the crime.
You are in denial, for just read the story of Abraham’s guests with Lot, and the terrible punish for Sodom, from which the word is derived? And in Leviticus (New King James Version) 22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.”
Lev 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death."
The Bible prescribes the death penalty for the following activities, among others:
• Murder
• Adultery
• Bestiality[13]
• Rape [14]
• Engaging in sodomy [15]
Etc etc. [see Wikipedia Crime and punishment in the Bible]
And Jesus came to confirm the law, as he is reported to have said: Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. [King James: Matthew 5:17]
He did not stone the adulterer by abrogating the law, but was showing them how morally low they had become since they all were criminal and no one was innocent and thus able to throw the first stone. He gave them a lesson of morality for them, not meant to eternally abrogate the law of Moses.
And in the New Testament:
1 Cor 6:9 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals" 1 Tim 1:9-10
This issue is one of which is what all the evangelicals (said to be 70 million strong in USA) rage about night and day, and say about true nature of “marriage as between man and women” and not man and man, etc, as you well know, along with abortion and other cultural war etc.
Of course, all these moral laws are wiped away by the modern secular laws of “free” sex, and the sexual revolution had much to push this agenda.
The reluctance to have children and breakdown of the tradition family is one reason why the western world is in historical demographic decline, put that is another issue
Yes Hellfire is real, and the abode of those atheists and secularists and pagans those mock God and His law, and make their own man-made laws superior to Gods laws.
Nowadays we see more and more that these laws grant privileges and slant the system to the super rich, and this is why the trickery and fraud of Washington and Wall Street, (or the City in London, etc), the Super Rich Corporate Oligarchy, is destroying the middle class by their greed to control more and more wealth and privilege. But of course for you this Roman pagan legacy is fine, I guess, since they were enlightened and tolerant to homosexuality, etc. Oh, and their orgies and their proverbial gluttony is just fine with you, I guess, where they would eat so much and then vomit to start again in gorging themselves and orgy. Modern hedonism and ancient hedonism, twins, and we see the decline of the American Empire is similar yet faster than the decline of the Roman Empire.
Of course “our civilization” in the title of this article for you is the Roman and not the Judaic-Christian, and of course Islam indeed in not anyway related to pagan idolatry and injustice of the privileged elites on the others.
Indeed you should reflect on how your desires have blinded you to even be able to read openly without bias, and to assess the truths indicated by scriptures.
My point has been proven by this one issue of your promotion of homosexuality, which lead you to outright brazen denial of facts of scriptures of Judaism and Christianity in your blind love to promote and legalize homosexuality, your denial to the issues raised, and repetition of slanders which have no factual basis but are rants copied and pasted like so many other."

ebbtideflowing — September 6, 2011 @ 8:25 PM

"Interesting how Mohsen El-Guindy has to put a "Dr." before his name, because his words do not have merit to stand on their own without any title. Compare that with Bill Warner. Does anyone here know that Bill has a Ph.D in physics and mathematics? No, because Bill, unlike Mohsen, understands that credentials don't make your arguments correct. Arguments stand or fall on their own merit. Someone can have four Ph.D.s and you still won't know if his statements are correct unless you check them against facts and logic. Mohsen does not want you to know about core Islamic texts like these:

In core Islamic texts, Muhammad says your "lives and property" are not safe from him unless you become a Muslim

In Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, the two most canonical hadith collections:

Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 2, Number 25:

Narrated Ibn 'Umar:
Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform all that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."


Sahih Muslim, Book 031, Number 5917:

...Ali went a bit and then halted and did not look about and then said in a loud voice: Allah's Messenger, on what issue should I fight with the people? Thereupon he (the Prophet) said: Fight with them until they bear testimony to the fact that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger, and when they do that then their blood and their riches are inviolable from your hands but what is justified by law and their reckoning is with Allah.


To read more core Islamic texts, all of them with reference links, texts that Mohsen doesn't want you to see, check out http://www.quotingislam.blogspot.com"

traeh — September 7, 2011 @ 3:58 PM

"@ ebbtideflowing - "WOW You have shown me with your answer that for you the Greek-Roman takes total precedence over the Judaic-Christian."

ebbtide I have shown no such thing. What I said was that all cultures are important in their contribution to human thought, arts and science, regardless of their religious beliefs.

You on the other hand accept or reject things based entirely on your religious beliefs, something which is totally irrational.

The Greeks produced, Aristotle, Plato, Socrates, Democracy, Archimedes to name but a few. They reasoned that atoms existed, they worked out the world was a spheroid and calculated its diameter and circumference with remarkable accuracy. The Roman republic used a representation method, where senators represented groups of people, allowing for a democracy encompassing a very large population. It gave just laws and a highly developed language.

To avoid answering questions about Islam, you have launched into a lesson on Christianity, which I find very comical.

You are trying to teach people truth about Christianity by selectively choosing passages from a book, which according to the myth originated by Muhammad, and which you espouse, has been corrupted and changed from the original. (This book is false but I will use it anyway to further my argument lol - you are pathetic).

Now whether the Bible is correct or wrong in places is another matter, quite apart from whether it has been changed from the original writings. Which is the Muslim claim, simply because Muhammad said so.

And Muhammad said so because the Bible is singularly absent of any prophesy about Muhammad. All prophets and the Messiah in fact according to the Old Testament or the Torah have to be Jews.

That claim the the Bible has been changed can be checked scientifically from its original documents, and it has not been. One of biggest evidences that subsequently emerged were the unexpected discovery of the dead sea scrolls.

But then you also selectively choose your own passages from the Quran, and more importantly ignore vast passages from the Quran and Hadiths that go against your beliefs.

For example you believe the myth, also started by Muhammad, that he was the most perfect person, rather than a slave trader, caravan raider, mass murderer and a very immoral person.

Your answer however displays your brainwashed mindset. It is the archaic prehistoric concept - who is the champ? This is one of the roots of the supremacist beliefs of Islam.

The Muslim expression and war cry "Allahu Akbar" does not mean mean God is great, as is the common misconception, but "ALLAH is GREATER." (Note Allah not God). Greater than what? is the question. During Muhammad's time he meant greater than the other gods venerated in Mecca. (My god is greater than yours and I will kill you to prove it).

This is obvious from the Muslim Shahada one of the 5 pillars of Islam "ilāha ʾillallāh, Muḥammad rasūlu-llāh"

Illah is god and the words translate to "There is no GOD (illah) but Allah (Allah) and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah (Allah)." (The messenger of Allah - not god).

Christianity, as I have pointed out has no crimes, only sin. You claim that The Bible prescribes the death penalty for Murder, Adultery, Bestiality, Rape, Engaging in sodomy. That maybe. But every word written in the Bible is not Christianity. And none of those "prescriptions" are in the laws of any Christian country.

The laws according to Christ were made for man and not man for the laws, and we should "render unto Caesar that which is Caesars". This clearly laid for the separation of Church and State, which is the foundation of modern western society. Laws are made by men the basis is equality for all, which stems from the Golden rule.

Crimes however are there in Islam because it is a political system, with laws that are rigid, archaic, discriminatory and supremacist.

The laws of Islam are enforced with threats and violence. And the Sharia is enforced and form a part of the law in numerous Muslim countries, all of which have terrible lifestyles for its citizens. Ironically the citizens of these failed states flee to our countries and try and preach the superiority of their failed systems over ours.

You have not answered why Islam besides being homicidal towards homosexuals is also homicidal towards people of other beliefs, atheists, apostates and those who criticise Muhammad?"

Richard — September 7, 2011 @ 5:46 PM

"Obviously
observant Christians and Jews rant and rave at the immorality of secular law about .... many things .... including this one under discussion .... sodomy.
Remember what was the explanation for 9/11
transcript of 700 club:
Falwell said, "The ACLU has got to take a lot of blame for this. And I know I'll hear from them for this, but throwing God...successfully with the help of the federal court system...throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools, the abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked and when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad...I really believe that the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way, all of them who try to secularize America...I point the finger in their face and say you helped this happen.""

ebbtideflowing — September 7, 2011 @ 10:24 PM

"you say:
"render unto Caesar that which is Caesars". This clearly laid for the separation of Church and State..."

so much falsehood in interpretation.
And so that's why the church ruled and the divine right of king ruled for century ., right?
The french revolution (wherein the word TERRORISM was first used for those slaughtering their enemies of the monks and royalty) came to wipe that off and bring total secular laws, and even until today the French are the most irreligious and see themselves as upholders of secular militarism.

And that's why Jesus physically threw out the money changers from the temple. and USURY is also a great crime in Christianity, for as we all know, the Jews had a monopoly on that.
to quote one historical:
"....the Christian canon law equally forbade interest, and enforced that prohibition so strictly, that for centuries the Jews had a monopoly of business in Europe, while the first Christians who dared to lend money (the Lombards) were regarded almost as heretics, were universally hated, and were frequently persecuted.”[Stoddard, Lothrop: “The New World of Islam”, New York Charles Scribner’s and Sons 1921 p. 34].

Now we all know where that lead to:
E.C. Knuth said in “The Empire of the City” [p.71]: “The fact that the House of Rothschild made its money in the great crashes of history and the great wars of history, the very periods when others lost their money, is beyond question.” The City, of course, was London the seat of the British Empire, then Wall Street and other centers of financial power came into play, increasingly after the new world (Brent Woods) order in the aftermath of WWII.
FAST FORWARD:
this "debt" crisis is caused by the by the too big to fail bankers,
see
[see Destructive Power of the Financial Markets in Der Spiegel]),
and
CNNMoney.com [Jeanne Sahadi, December 20, 2009] reports: “More than half of the $9 trillion in debt that Uncle Sam is expected to build up over the next decade will be interest.... in fact $4.8 trillion.” Guess who pays, and guess who it is paid to?
Need a nudge: yep, us taxpaying suckers proportionally pay more, and yep, the bankster super (“tax cut”) rich receive the interest (usury). They thrive on war and crashes, make money going up in boom and going down in crash, make money preparing for war, make money during war, and make money rebuilding after war.

READ and THINK, and put two and two together.
The religious law was to protect from these crimes, and the secularists want more of the same: Corporate Oligarchy."

ebbtideflowing — September 7, 2011 @ 10:48 PM

"and maybe you should read
The Face of Imperialism [Paperback]
Michael Parenti (Author)
a review

Parenti Pulls the Mask off the Face of Imperialism, May 25, 2011
By
Roberta Takahashi -
See all my reviews
This review is from: The Face of Imperialism (Paperback)
Michael Parenti does it again. He takes a complex and vital subject and presents it to us with clarity and insight. He writes clearly and engagingly. He shows how U.S. foreign policy is neither inept nor confused. U.S. imperial policy is consistent and successful in serving the interests of the rich and powerful, in keeping the world safe for the transnational corporations, in making sure that most of the world remains weak, poor, compliant, so that the plutocracy remains strong, rich, and dominant.
Parenti always goes that extra step. He doesn't backpedal or say less than he sees. He doesn't worry about keeping close to the "respectable opinions" handed out by the media and the White House.
After reading this book, we come away knowing much more about the world and much more about what the U.S. empire really is doing to us and everyone else. We come to understand why U.S. leaders (be they Democrats or Republicans) support certain kinds of dictators and "democracies" while opposing other kinds. I find this book very handy in helping me understand what is happening in the Arab world."

ebbtideflowing — September 7, 2011 @ 11:32 PM

"ALSO
you say:
"render unto Caesar that which is Caesars". This clearly laid for the separation of Church and State..."

so much falsehood in interpretation.
And so that's why the church ruled and the divine right of king ruled for century ., right?
The french revolution (wherein the word TERRORISM was first used for those slaughtering their enemies of the monks and royalty) came to wipe that off and bring total secular laws, and even until today the French are the most irreligious and see themselves as upholders of secular militarism.

And that's why Jesus physically threw out the money changers from the temple. and USURY is also a great crime in Christianity, for as we all know, the Jews had a monopoly on that.
to quote one historical:
"....the Christian canon law equally forbade interest, and enforced that prohibition so strictly, that for centuries the Jews had a monopoly of business in Europe, while the first Christians who dared to lend money (the Lombards) were regarded almost as heretics, were universally hated, and were frequently persecuted.”[Stoddard, Lothrop: “The New World of Islam”, New York Charles Scribner’s and Sons 1921 p. 34].

Now we all know where that lead to:
E.C. Knuth said in “The Empire of the City” [p.71]: “The fact that the House of Rothschild made its money in the great crashes of history and the great wars of history, the very periods when others lost their money, is beyond question.” The City, of course, was London the seat of the British Empire, then Wall Street and other centers of financial power came into play, increasingly after the new world (Brent Woods) order in the aftermath of WWII.
FAST FORWARD:
this "debt" crisis is caused by the by the too big to fail bankers,
see
[see Destructive Power of the Financial Markets in Der Spiegel]),
and
CNNMoney.com [Jeanne Sahadi, December 20, 2009] reports: “More than half of the $9 trillion in debt that Uncle Sam is expected to build up over the next decade will be interest.... in fact $4.8 trillion.” Guess who pays, and guess who it is paid to?
Need a nudge: yep, us taxpaying suckers proportionally pay more, and yep, the bankster super (“tax cut”) rich receive the interest (usury). They thrive on war and crashes, make money going up in boom and going down in crash, make money preparing for war, make money during war, and make money rebuilding after war.

READ and THINK, and put two and two together.
The religious law was to protect from these crimes, and the secularists want more of the same: Corporate Oligarchy."

ebbtideflowing — September 7, 2011 @ 11:35 PM

"Here is what your religion has accomplished: I have taught my children to not trust Muslims because they are bloodthirsty forked tongue devils, who's only aim is misery and death and that is based on the truth. Haven't been bombings and 9/11 scale terrorist strikes in the name of any other religion other than your own ebbtideflowing. I'm sure your name refers to all the blood on the hands of your precious Islam. You can't argue your way out of this, it is why every Muslim is a moron who does not deserve to have a frontal lobe of his brain. I don't know you but I hate you."

litmustest — September 8, 2011 @ 2:29 PM

"ebbtide you are delusional and seem unable to grasp facts and realities. Can you get it into your head that opinions are not facts? Why do you quote the 700 club, whoever they are? I have never heard of them.

Everything I have stated are facts and you have not countered one of them. Just to remind you very briefly:

Fact: No Christian country, or any other non-Muslim country, prescribes the death penalty for Adultery, Bestiality, homosexuality, apostasy or criticising any religion or leader.

In fact none of these are crimes in non-Muslim countries.

Fact: These are considered crimes in Islam and the Sharia prescribes the death penalty for them. The Sharia is implemented in most Muslim countries.

Fact: Every Christian country is a democracy in which the laws ensure equality for all its citizens.

Fact: Very few Muslim countries are democracies, even these have some Sharia enforced, they are discriminatory towards their minorities and have had numerous violent coups.

Fact: Muhammad, who you model yourselves after, advised you to lie and murder. "The Prophet said, 'War is deceit.'" Bukhari (52:269), Bukhari (52:270), Bukhari (59:369)

"Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it."

And Ka'b was duly deceived and murdered.

I have given instances where he committed mass murder and slept with the wife of the person he had tortured to death, Kinana, on the same night that he had him killed.

Now if you have can refute the evidence above do so, otherwise dont try and throw wool over our eyes with diversionary, irrelevant tactics.

Just a correction to the loads rubbish you have spouted above:

"USURY is also a great crime in Christianity" - Usury is a crime in western laws too. Charging of interest is not.

Muhammad said you should not charge interest, but then his principal method of commerce was raiding caravans, enslaving people with conquests and robbing them of their belongings and liberty. Hardly an ethical business.

Many Muslims seem to think that is the way they should conduct business today also."

Richard — September 8, 2011 @ 5:40 PM

"I stated known facts about the Jewish and Christian Law concerning
SODOMY
You are the one who is delusional for denying these facts, avoiding the issues raised.
My point is proven about this article and the commentary.
What is meant by "Our civilization" does not include the Laws and Morality of Judaism and Christianity, but of the pagan polytheist Greeks and Romans, who were by the way dependent upon their slaves and vassals to keep them in their elite life of luxuries and privileges.
Many Modern scholars - like those whom I have indicated for further research - draw the analogy between the ancient roman empire and its decline, and the decline of the Modern day American (and European) Empire who have devised a scheme of debt slavery attached the to the elites of Washington & London of Wall Street and "City" Banksters, but the Huge PONZI scheme is falling apart, and some slave are seeking to be liberated.

Islam is about worshiping the ONE GOD and LORD Sovereign of all humanity, the entire universe, and this is exactly what Judaism and Christianity claim also, by following laws of righteousness, sincere worship and correct conduct
in all aspects of life.

One crucial aspect is the purity and morality in family life, and the relationship between mother and father, and husband and wife, and children and parents, etc, which is based on love and respect and care and nurturing good wholesome habits and behavior.

Sodomy is an unnatural abomination as proven by all natural reason and scientific study, and of course in all scriptures as I mentioned above - if you read.

Usury and charging interest on debt is one and the same for just look and the history of rates.

The principles of venture capital investment - partnerships of labor management and investors - is an Islamic method that can function in the modern world of finance as proven by economic reality.
It does not have the aspect of Parasite - Vulture - Exploiter that the modern debt structures have to serve the elite banking cartel [bonds, FED funny money, speculation, derivatives, swaps etc etc) at the expense of the real working people.
Read some of those authors cited please.
in the final analysis, we all will return to our One Creator for our Judgement and either reward or punishment.
All Muslims, Jews and Christians agree on that point .
But of course pagans and atheists deny and mock this."

ebbtideflowing — September 15, 2011 @ 9:52 AM

"see
Islam's contribution to world civilization

http://www.slideshare.net/moh12/islams-contribution-to-world-civilization"

ebbtideflowing — September 15, 2011 @ 3:00 PM

"Which explains why so many Muslims win Nobel Prizes today. Eight Muslims have shared Nobel prizes with Kafirs in the sciences in the entire history of the prize.
There has never been a Muslim who won a scientific Nobel prize who worked alone or with other Muslims. In spite of having money by the boatload, there has never been a Muslim nation that had scientific research that won a Nobel prize.

Why is that all of the Glory of Islam was centuries ago?"

Bill — September 16, 2011 @ 2:16 PM

"@ Bill "Eight Muslims have shared Nobel prizes with Kafirs in the sciences in the entire history of the prize."

Actually the number of Muslims who have won the Nobel Prize IN THE SCIENCES, out of a population of 1.4 billion, can be counted on the fingers of one hand (with four fingers left over).

If there is one thing that Muslims would have cornered prizes for it is in deceit, deception (including self-deception), making false claims and LYING.

Here are the false claims Muslims make of some of the "Muslim" Nobel Prize winners on their websites:

1. Elias James Corey, Chemistry 1990 - was not a Muslim, born and raised in America of Lebanese Christian (Phoenician) parents.

2. Sir Peter Brian Medawar, born in Brazil of a British mother and a Lebanese Christian father. Medawar was an atheist.

3. Ferid Murad, born and raised in America of an Albanian Muslim father and an American Baptist mother. Murad was baptized Episcopalian in college, his wife is Presbyterian, and two of his daughters married Jews.

That leaves only Abdus Salam and Ahmed Zewail.

Ironically whereas Abdus Salam considered himself to be a Muslim, because he was an Ahmediya, most Muslims do not, but instead consider him to be a Kafir and apostate!

And Ahmed Zewail is Muslim in name only. He has written ".. certain cultures, nations, religions lack appreciation for science and technology." At one time time he named the culture as Muslim and the religion as Islam, but has since recanted that statement perhaps in view of what happened to his fellow countryman, Egyptian Nobel Laureate, Naguib Mahfouz, who was stabbed in the neck by Egyptian Islamic militants.

In any case Ahmed Zewail calls himself an AMERICAN chemist, not a Muslim chemist. So that's one for America and minus one for the Muslims.

So the ONLY Muslim scientist who won a Nobel prize in the sciences was the Apostate Kafir Abdus Salam, who shared his Nobel Prize with two Jews.

PS Some of the more truthful Muslim websites do not claim Abdus Salam as a Muslim Nobel Prize Winner, for example here: http://www.islamichistorymonth.com/education/nobel.php

Why do ".. certain cultures (read Muslim), nations (read Muslim), religions (read Islam) lack appreciation for science and technology"?

The answer is given by Dr. Mohsen El-Guindy "The purpose of Muslims in life is to please their Lord, Allah, by abiding to His laws. ..To them Allah is always there, looming in their horizon. They strive to seek his consent and forgiveness in the Day of Judgment."

By studying the Quran, a document filled with hate, fear and transparent lies instead of science and the truth they debar themselves from progress and enlightenment."

Richard — September 16, 2011 @ 10:37 PM

"I stand corrected. Thank you."

Bill — September 17, 2011 @ 10:35 AM

"BTY
the name ebb tide flowing is in remembrance of my uncle who died in WWII the pacific theater on an aircraft carrier"

ebbtideflowing — September 17, 2011 @ 12:37 PM

"Doesn't say much, but about decline which was direct result of leaving Islamic law and morality, decay, foreign occupation, colonialism, imperialism, treacherous tyrants, etc
see how many Latinos, African etc,
List of Nobel laureates by country
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
You of course have not read about the scientific miracles in the Quran see here to begin;
Brief Illustrated Guide to Understanding Islam,
http://www.islam-guide.com/
and so many others
Compare that with Bible, other civilizations in year 600 approximately"

ebbtideflowing — September 17, 2011 @ 12:46 PM

"ebbtideflowing you have not contradicted a thing I have written, this shows you can not.

You seem fixated on sodomy, this makes me wonder. Many hidden repressed homosexuals are particularly vitriolic against it, specially when their culture demands it.

Christianity and Judaism have moved on, whereas Islam is still stuck in the middle ages like some small-brained dinosaur in Jurassic park.

There is separation of Church and state in Christian countries, something that you are not being able to grasp. We do not have your barbaric laws.

Your Islamic countries with your "divine" Islamic laws are examples of hells on Earth."

Richard — September 17, 2011 @ 4:59 PM

"I am fixated on proving one point and using this as an example: that you reject Judaic and Christian laws and only accept secularism and whatever is majority of the day, or which the corporate power want since they own the legislators.
Is that what the occupy wall street movement and so many are about
You obviously didnt read any of the books I indicated, which also show I am not fixated on this sodomy point but about the fact that these laws are about more privileged elite people exploiting the masses, and
BTY
thats what many all over the world are saying:
Stop exploiting us and occupying our lands, and forcing "structural adjustments" on us for your corporate take over of our resourceful, etc etc

You also did not reply to the reality that if a society becomes dominated by homosexuality , or fornication in general, then family life and the society as a whole will suffer, as many historical studies prove.
You are the one fixated on this issue."

ebbtideflowing — September 19, 2011 @ 1:36 PM

"Richard,

When attempting, to either discuss, debate, argue a point, or persuade Muslims in general about Islam, and with El-Guindy and ebbtideflowing specifically, you may want to keep a few things in mind:

1. Islam displays many of the attributes of a "cult of personality" based on the life of their Prophet Muhammad.

2. The ideological indoctrination of Muslims is so thorough that they manipulate their own thought processes so that Islam is internalized as "the only truth." Incoming information is filtered through their homophobic and intolerant 7th Century totalitarian ideology of hatred, deceit, racism, bigotry, misogyny, pedophilia, anti-semitism, slavery, terrorism, murder, rape, humiliation, control, domination, and submission of the Kafir. Filtering information through the Koran, the Sira, and the Hadiths allows Muslims to regulate how this information is thought about.

3. One way in which Muslims are controlled is by way of the "thought stopping" technique of concentrated praying five times a day, towards Mecca, to Allah the only God in their universe.

4. Fear is used to manipulate Muslims in two ways. The first is to create an outside enemy (Muslims vs Kafirs) who is persecuting them. This is why Muslims are 'always the victim' at every opportunity when dealing with Kafirs. This is also why there are no 'innocent' Kafirs. The second is the fear of punishment if they are not "good enough." Being "good enough" is following their ideology perfectly. "Being a good Muslim." e.g. waging jihad against the Kafirs wherever a Muslim may find them.

5. Muslims have a sense of "higher purpose" and see themselves as "the best of people" and as being the "keepers of the truth." By becoming the instruments of their own ideology, 'the foot soldiers of Allah,' they create a mystical aura around Islam and will destroy anyone or anything that get in its way. They are 'the chosen ones' to carry out the Islamic imperative of total world domination under one caliphate of Islamic nations. The pursuit of this Islamic imperative supersedes all considerations of human decency of immediate human welfare against Kafirs. In Islam the end justifies the means since Kafirs are considered to be the lowest form of life, 'the worst of people.' A Muslim can lie, cheat, rape, steal from, deceive or whatever to the Kafirs outside of Islam. Association with the Kafirs is only to benefit and advance Islam in some way. Islam calls this 'sacred deception' by way of 'taqiyya' and/or 'kitman.' Muslims believe in their ideology to such a fanatical degree that they internalize and rationalize their 'sacred deceptions.'

6. All impurities in the world seem to originate from 'outside' Islam. Therefore, Muslims relieve themselves of this burden by denouncing Kafirs (especially Jews) with great hostility and violence. Muslims will point to the mistakes of all other belief systems while promoting Islam's own purity. This gives Muslims the impression that Islam is perfect, clean, and pure as an ideology and as a people. Muslims look at the world as 'us' and 'them.' Ethically, Muslims do not believe in 'right' or
wrong,' rather, what (according to Muhammad) what is 'permitted' and what is 'forbidden.'

7. Muslims believe that Islam is the absolute truth and that it is sacred - beyond questioning. Islam's ultimate moral vision becomes the ultimate science and the Muslims who dares criticize it, or even think criticism, are immoral, irreverent and 'unscientific."

8. Islamic doctrine supersedes human experience. The Islamic ideology merges with Muslims' 'truth' and the resulting deduction can be so overpowering and coercive that it simply replaces reality. Consequently past events can be altered, rewritten, plagiarized, or even ignored to make them consistent with the Islamic version of reality. The deaths of over 270 million Kafirs and the annihilation of native cultures at the hands of Muslims over the last 1400 years never happened. The attacks of 9/11 were not done by Muslims, it was a 'conspiracy' by other. The thousands of attacks of jihad against Kafirs since 9/11 all around the world were not by Muslims, but by others. At no point will Muslims ever admit to or take responsibility for their violent actions against Kafirs. El-Guindy still refuses to make comments about the attacks of 9/11, Mu'ta marriages (Sharia-compliant adultery), and the acid attacks against Muslim females for not following female Islamic protocols.

9. Muslims have the right to decide who is worthy of life and who isn't. They also decide which history books are accurate and which are not. e.g. the Islamic whitewashing of textbooks in America's education system which presents a sugarcoated version of Islam as "a religion of peace" that "wants to co-exist peacefully with all others." That talks about "the Golden Age of Islam" and all "the wonderful things Islam has done for the world." All of which are pure Islamic propaganda. Those in Islam are worthy of life; Kafirs outside Islam are worthy of death. Kafirs may be permitted to live if they convert to Islam and become a Muslim or are willing to live as a third-class dhimmi under the oppressive totalitarian yoke of Islam.

Muslims like El-Guindy and ebbtideflowing are so convinced in their belief in this 'cult of personality' that one cannot have a rational discussion or debate about Islam with them for the aforementioned reasons.

Richard, said another way, "you cannot argue with a sick mind." As a Kafir, it is futile to get into any kind of debate about Islam with a Muslim, because Muslims cannot handle hearing the truth or criticism about Islam...they consider any criticism (even if it is true) about Islam as blasphemy - Muslims tend to become self-rightous, indignant, hostile, and easily become violent (just like Muhammad) when presented with the historical reality of Islam. For example, that Muhammad, their so-called prophet, was nothing more than a savage leader of a gang of robbers from Medina without scruples who looted, raped, and murdered. That Muhammad was also a narcissist, a pedophile, a mass murderer, a terrorist, a misogynist, a lecher, a cult leader, a madman, a rapist, a torturer, an assassin and a looter. That Allah, their so-called "only god in the universe," is nothing more than the tribal moon god of the Quraysh tribe.

Remember, exposing the truth about Islam has become 'the new hate speech." Muslim cult members will strike out at you by calling you a racist (Islam is not a race), a bigot, Islamophobic (a term that is actually a misnomer), and may even become physically violent. They will make every effort to attack and marginalize you as a person and try to destroy your good reputation and credibility."

Armed Infidel — September 20, 2011 @ 1:17 PM

"mere insults from AI and R, but not addressing the point whether "our civilization" includes Christian and Jewish law and elements or not.
BTW
many scholars of science investigation say the Muslims contributed immensely to the European awaking from a dark ages
for Instance
Encyclopedia Britannica:

“The Madrasahs [Islamic education institutions] generally offered instruction in both the religious sciences and other branches of knowledge. The contribution of these institutions to the advancement of knowledge was vast. Muslim scholars calculated the angle of the ecliptic; measured the size of the Earth; calculated the precession of the equinoxes; explained, in the field of optics and physics, such phenomena as refraction of light, gravity, capillary attraction, and twilight; and developed observatories for the empirical study of heavenly bodies. They made advances in the uses of drugs, herbs, and foods for medication; established hospitals with a system of interns and externs; discovered causes of certain diseases and developed correct diagnoses of them; proposed new concepts of hygiene; made use of anesthetics in surgery with newly innovated surgical tools; and introduced the science of dissection in anatomy.

Muslims furthered the scientific breeding of horses and cattle; found new ways of grafting to produce new types of flowers and fruits; introduced new concepts of irrigation, fertilization, and soil cultivation; and improved upon the science of navigation. In the area of chemistry, Muslim scholarship led to the discovery of such substances as potash, alcohol, nitrate of silver, nitric acid, sulfuric acid, and mercury chloride.

Muslims scientists also developed to a high degree of perfection the arts of textiles, ceramics, and metallurgy.” According to a US study published by the American Association for the Advancement of Science in its Journal on 21 February 2007; ‘Designs on surface tiles in the Islamic world during the Middle Ages revealed their maker’s understanding of mathematical concepts not grasped in the West until 500 years later. Many Medieval Islamic buildings walls have ornate geometric star and polygon or ‘girih’, patterns, which are often overlaid with a swirling network of lines – This girih tile method was more efficient and precise than the previous approach, allowing for an important breakthrough in Islamic mathematics and design.’

Muslims Scholars of Science & Theology: According to the famous scientist Albert Einstein; “Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind.” Francis Bacon, the famous philosopher, has rightly said that a little knowledge of science makes you an atheist, but an in-depth study of science makes you a believer in God. A critical analysis reveals that most of Muslim scientists and scholars of medieval period were also eminent scholars of Islam and theology. The earlier Muslim scientific investigations were based on the inherent link between the physical and the spiritual spheres, but they were informed by a process of careful observation and reflection that investigated the physical universe.

Influence of Qur’an on Muslims Scientists: The worldview of the Muslims scientists was inspired by the Qur’an and they knew that: “Surely, In the creation of the heavens and the earth; in the alternation of the night and the day, in the sailing of the ships through the ocean for the profit of mankind; in the rain which Allah sends down from the skies, with which He revives the earth after its death and spreads in it all kinds of animals, in the change of the winds and the clouds between the sky and the earth that are made subservient, there are signs for rational people.”(Qur’an;2:164). “Indeed in the alternation of the night and the day and what Allah has created in the heavens and the earth, there are signs for those who are God fearing.”(Qur’an;10:6). They were aware that there was much more to be discovered. They did not have the precise details of the solar and lunar orbits but they knew that there was something extremely meaningful behind the alternation of the day and the night and in the precise movements of the sun and the moon as mentioned in Qur’an: One can still verify that those who designed the dome and the minaret, knew how to transform space and silence into a chanting remembrance that renews the nexus between God and those who respond to His urgent invitation.

Famous Muslim Scientists and Scholars: The traditional Islamic institutions of learning produced numerous great theologians, philosophers, scholars and scientists. Their contributions in various fields of knowledge indicate the level of scholarship base developed among he Muslims one thousand years ago. Only few are being mentioned here:

Chemistry: Jabir ibn Hayyan, Abu Musa (721-815), alchemist known as the “father of chemistry.” He studied most branches of learning, including medicine. After the ‘Abbasids defeated the Umayyads, Jabir became a court physician to the ‘Abbasid caliph Harun ar-Rashid. Jabir was a close friend of the sixth Shi’ite imam, Ja’far ibn Muhammad, whom he gave credit for many of his scientific ideas.

Mathematics, Algebra, Astronomy & Geography: Al-Khwarizmi (Algorizm) (770–840 C.E) was a researcher of mathematics, algorithm, algebra, calculus, astronomy & geography. He compiled astronomical tables, introduced Indian numerals (which became Arabic numerals), formulated the oldest known trigonometric tables, and prepared a geographic encyclopaedia in cooperation with 69 other scholars.
Physics, Philosophy, Medicine:

Ibn Ishaq Al-Kindi (Alkindus) (800–873 C.E) was an intellectual of philosophy, physics, optics, medicine, mathematics & metallurgy. Ali Ibn Rabban Al-Tabari (838–870 C.E) was a scholar in medicine, mathematics, calligraphy & literature. Al-Razi (Rhazes, 864– 930 C.E), a physical and scientist of medicine, ophthalmology, smallpox, chemistry & astronomy.

Ar-Razi’s two most significant medical works are the Kitab al-Mansuri, which became well known in the West in Gerard of Cremona’s 12th-century Latin translation; and ‘Kitab al-hawi’, the “Comprehensive Book”. Among his numerous minor medical treatises is the famed Treatise on the Small Pox and Measles, which was translated into Latin, Byzantine Greek, and various modern languages.

Al-Farabi (Al-Pharabius) (870- 950 C.E) excelled in sociology, logic, philosophy, political science & music. Abu Al-Qasim Al-Zahravi (Albucasis; 936 -1013 C.E) was an expert in surgery & medicine known as the father of modern surgery.

Ibn Al-Haitham (Alhazen) (965-1040 C.E); was the mathematician and physicist who made the first significant contributions to optical theory since the time of Ptolemy (flourished 2nd century). In his treatise on optics, translated into Latin in 1270 as Opticae thesaurus Alhazeni libri vii, Alhazen published theories on refraction, reflection, binocular vision, focusing with lenses, the rainbow, parabolic and spherical mirrors, spherical aberration, atmospheric refraction, and the apparent increase in size of planetary bodies near the Earth’s horizon. He was first to give an accurate account of vision, correctly stating that light comes from the object seen to the eye.

Abu Raihan Al-Biruni (973-1048 C.E); was a Persian scholar and scientist, one of the most learned men of his age and an outstanding intellectual figure. Al-Biruni’s most famous works are Athar al-baqiyah (Chronology of Ancient Nations); at-Tafhim (“Elements of Astrology”); al-Qanun al-Mas’udi (“The Mas’udi Canon”), a major work on astronomy, which he dedicated to Sultan Mas’ud of Ghazna; Ta’rikh al-Hind (“A History of India”); and Kitab as-Saydalah, a treatise on drugs used in medicine. In his works on astronomy, he discussed with approval the theory of the Earth’s rotation on its axis and made accurate calculations of latitude and longitude. He was the first one to determine the circumference earth. In the filed of physics, he explained natural springs by the laws of hydrostatics and determined with remarkable accuracy the specific weight of 18 precious stones and metals. In his works on geography, he advanced the daring view that the valley of the Indus had once been a sea basin.

Ibn Sina (Avicenna, 981–1037 C.E); was a scientist of medicine, philosophy, mathematics & astronomy. He was particularly noted for his contributions in the fields of Aristotelian philosophy and medicine. He composed the Kitab ash-shifa` (“Book of Healing”), a vast philosophical and scientific encyclopedia, and the Canon of Medicine, which is among the most famous books in the history of medicine.

Ibn Hazm, (994-1064 C.E) was a Muslim litterateur, historian, jurist, and theologian of Islamic Spain. One of the leading exponents of the Zahiri (literalist) school of jurisprudence, he produced some 400 works, covering jurisprudence, logic, history, ethics, comparative religion, and theology, and The Ring of the Dove, on the art of love.

Al-Zarqali (Arzachel) (1028-1087 C.E); an astronomer who invented astrolabe (an instrument used to make astronomical measurements). Al-Ghazali (Algazel) (1058-1111 C.E); was a scholar of sociology, theology & philosophy.

Ibn Zuhr (Avenzoar) (1091-1161 C.E); was a scientist and expert in surgery & medicine.

Ibn Rushd (Averroes) (1128- 1198 C.E); excelled in philosophy, law, medicine, astronomy & theology.

Nasir Al-Din Al-Tusi (1201-1274 C.E); was the scholar of astronomy and Non-Euclidean geometry.

Geber (flourished in 14th century Spain) is author of several books that were among the most influential works on alchemy and metallurgy during the 14th and 15th centuries. A number of Arabic scientific works credited to Jabir were translated into Latin during the 11th to 13th centuries. Thus, when an author who was probably a practicing Spanish alchemistegan to write in about 1310. Four works by Geber are known: Summa perfectionis magisterii (The Sum of Perfection or the Perfect Magistery, 1678), Liber fornacum (Book of Furnaces, 1678), De investigatione perfectionis (The Investigation of Perfection, 1678), and De inventione veritatis (The Invention of Verity, 1678).

They are the clearest expression of alchemical theory and the most important set of laboratory directions to appear before the 16th century. Accordingly, they were widely read and extremely influential in a field where mysticism, secrecy, and obscurity were the usual rule. Geber’s rational approach, however, did much to give alchemy a firm and respectable position in Europe. His practical directions for laboratory procedures were so clear that it is obvious he was familiar with many chemical operations. He described the purification of chemical compounds, the preparation of acids (such as nitric and sulfuric), and the construction and use of laboratory apparatus, especially furnaces. Geber’s works on chemistry were not equaled in their field until the 16th century with the appearance of the writings of the Italian chemist Vannoccio Biringuccio, the German mineralogist Georgius Agricola,& German alchemist Lazarus Ercker.

Muhammad Ibn Abdullah (Ibn Battuta) (1304-1369 C.E); was a world traveler, he traveled 75,000 mile voyage from Morocco to China and back. Ibn Khaldun(1332-1395 C.E) was an expert on sociology, philosophy of history and political science.

Tipu, Sultan of Mysore (1783-1799 C.E) in the south of India, was the innovator of the world’s first war rocket. Two of his rockets, captured by the British at Srirangapatana, are displayed in the Woolwich Museum of Artillery in London. The rocket motor casing was made of steel with multiple nozzles. The rocket, 50mm in diameter and 250mm long, had a range performance of 900 meters to 1.5 km.

Turkish scientist Hazarfen Ahmet Celebi took off from Galata tower and flew over the Bosphorus, two hundred years before a comparable development elsewhere. Fifty years later Logari Hasan Celebi, another member of the Celebi family, sent the first manned rocket into upper atmosphere, using 150 okka (about 300 pounds) of gunpowder as the firing fuel.
Influence of Islamic Learning in Reviving Western Civilization:

While Muslims were excelling in the field of knowledge and learning of science and technology, the conditions of Christendom at this period was deplorable. Under Constantine and his orthodox successors the Aesclepions were closed for ever, the public libraries established by liberality of the pagan emperors were dispersed or destroyed. Learning was branded as magic and punished as treason, philosophy and science were exterminated. The ecclesiastical hatred against human learning had found expression in the patristic maxims; “Ignorance is the mother of devotion” and Pope Gregory the Great the founder of the doctrine of ‘supremacy of religious authority’; gave effect to this obscurantist dogma by expelling from Rome all scientific studies and burning the Palatine Library founded by Augustus Caesar. He forbade the study of ancient writers of Greece and Rome. He introduced and sanctified the mythological Christianity which continued for centuries as the predominating creed of Europe with its worship of relics and the remains of saints. Science and literature were placed under the ban by orthodox Christianity and they succeeded in emancipating themselves only when Free Thought had broken down the barriers raised by orthodoxy against the progress of the human mind.
Exceptional influence of Islamic learning on the West:

The influence of Islamic learning on the West has been phenomenal; an extract from Encyclopedia Britannica is an eye opener for the Muslims:

“The decline of Muslim scholarship coincided with the early phases of the European intellectual awakening that these translations were partly instrumental in bringing about. The translation into Latin of most Islamic works during the 12th and 13th centuries had a great impact upon the European Renaissance. As Islam was declining in scholarship and Europe was absorbing the fruits of Islam’s centuries of creative productivity, signs of Latin Christian awakening were evident throughout the European continent. The 12th century was one of intensified traffic of Muslim learning into the Western world through many hundreds of translations of Muslim works, which helped Europe seize the initiative from Islam when political conditions in Islam brought about a decline in Muslim scholarship. By 1300 C.E when all that was worthwhile in Muslim scientific, philosophical, and social learning had been transmitted to European schoolmen through Latin translations, European scholars stood once again on the solid ground of Hellenistic thought, enriched or modified through Muslim and Byzantine efforts.”

“Most of the important Greek scientific texts were preserved in Arabic translations. Although the Muslims did not alter the foundations of Greek science, they made several important contributions within its general framework. When interest in Greek learning revived in Western Europe during the 12th and 13th centuries, scholars turned to Islamic Spain for the scientific texts. A spate of translations resulted in the revival of Greek science in the West and coincided with the rise of the universities. Working within a predominantly Greek framework, scientists of the late Middle Ages reached high levels of sophistication and prepared the ground for the scientific revolution of the 16th and 17th centuries.” According to Will Durant, the Western scholar, “For five centuries, from 700 to 1200 (C.E), Islam led the world in power, order and extent of government, in refinement of manners, scholarship and philosophy”.

See Also :

Muslim Contributions in Medicine, Science & Technology
Islam & Philosophy
Impact of Islam on Christianity & West
Knowledge and Learning
Islamic Scholarship
Muslims: Rise and Decline

http://www.youtube.com/p/634D73F5946FA810?version=3&hl=en_GB&fs=1

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCA3F510EF8164766"

ebbtideflowing — September 20, 2011 @ 2:57 PM

"ebbtideflowing,

Your 'points' about "whether 'our civilization' includes Christian and Jewish law and elements or not" is meaningless. Just more rant and blah, blah, blah. I refuse to stoop to your level to address any of your idiotic Islamic propaganda "points" Muslim.

Here is my suggestion to you, take your Islamic propaganda and shove it 'where the sun does not shine.' I am not buying any of your bullshit.

As I suggested to Richard earlier, "one cannot argue with a sick mind." This applies to you ebbtideflowing!"

Armed Infidel — September 20, 2011 @ 3:28 PM

"ebbtideflowing you Muslims seem to have no compunction about lying and manipulation.

So many of you have lied about "Muslim" Nobel Prize winners claiming them to be "Muslim" when they were not. Its quite sickening.

You claim "Tipu, Sultan of Mysore (1783-1799 C.E) in the south of India, was the innovator of the world’s first war rocket."

Please educate yourself. "The first reliable scholarly reference to rockets in China occurs in the Ko Chieh Ching Yuan (The Mirror of Research) which states that in 998 A.D. a man named Tang Fu invented a rocket of a new kind having an iron head.[8] There were reports of fire arrows and 'iron pots' that could be heard for 5 leagues (25 km, or 15 miles) when they exploded upon impact, causing devastation for a radius of 600 meters (2,000 feet), apparently due to shrapnel." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket#In_antiquity

Averroes who you claim to be a Muslim was NOT - he was an infidel "Averroes tried to reconcile Aristotle's system of thought with Islam. According to him, there is no conflict between religion and philosophy, rather that they are different ways of reaching the same truth." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Averroes#System_of_philosophy

In short none of those people owed anything of their achievements to Islam. What they achieved was DESPITE Islam not because of it. Those were the early days of Islamic conquest when Islam was cannabalisin"

Richard — September 21, 2011 @ 2:27 AM

"Oops.. Those were the early days of Islamic conquest when Islam was cannabalising and eventually destroying the great civilisations of the time.

When their conquests were stopped and turned back, so did their so called scientific "achievements".

Islam slipped back to medieval barbarity in which it remains today for all to see."

Richard — September 21, 2011 @ 2:32 AM

"ISLAM IS A FASCIST IDEOLOGY THAT AIM TO CONQUER THE ENTIRE WORLD AND USE THE GLOBALISATION TO BECOME SUCCESSFULL.
REGARDS GIANLUCA"

porkallah du bougnouleur — October 8, 2011 @ 6:11 PM

"I believe I am a few months late in posting this, so I do not know if anyone will see this. I also have not read any of the other comments on this article, so forgive me if I reiterate something someone has already said, or make a point that has previously been refuted. However:
I am a 17 year old high school student, who only recently came across this article after reading it posted on a different website. I would consider myself a fairly religious Jew, who only recently I think has found true meaning in my religion. As a Jew, I should probably be one of the ones who most fervently hates Islam, who would most whole-heartedly agree with this article due to the current situation in Israel and in the Middle East.
This article disgusts me. As a Jew, I know what it is like to face extreme prejudice due to your religion. 6 million of my own people were wiped out in the mid 20th century. While I was obviously not alive during the Holocaust, my great uncle was killed in a concentration camp 6 weeks before the allies came. My family and my religion know what it is like to face hate due to our religion. I would never wish anything the same on the Muslim people.
The article starts out with a quote from President Obama saying that Muslim Americans have contributed greatly to “the strength and character of our country” and to our society as a whole. He says that they are “a part of our American family.” The author goes on to basically say that this statement is “dead wrong,” and harshly lists points as to why Muslims should never be accepted in our world. Firstly, Obama is clearly talking about Muslim Americans, not Muslims all over the world…not radical Muslims in the Middle East, not Islamic extremists. Muslim Americans have in fact contributed greatly to our society, which is currently full of many close-minded and ignorant people. The number of anti-Muslim people in this country is appalling – there are so many people who don’t realize the cultural benefits and the cultural diversity that Islam brings to our country.
After this, the article goes on to discuss Islamic beliefs and the Koran. It says that the reasoning of the Koran is “circular” and doesn’t make sense. But who are we to question what it says in another’s religious text? Who are we to question the logic of the text and to question another’s religious beliefs?! Do people question the “logic” of the Bible or the Torah? I’m sure some do, but does it have any effect? Do people pay attention? The author sarcastically says: “And people say that Islam just needs to be reformed.” If the reformation of Islam is not enough for the author, what is? What solution will be good enough? …The abolishment of Islam altogether?! The author talks about “the Golden Rule,” we should treat ALL others as we would be treated. This is outrageously hypocritical. Maybe Islam doesn’t “see it that way,” (that we should follow the Golden Rule) but the author certainly doesn’t either, based on all his and all of America’s discrimination and obvious hatred of this religion.
In the paragraph about Mohammed’s ethics and Mohammed being the “perfect man”, the author states that Mohammed made neighboring tribes “submit or die”, thus not following the Golden Rule. This happens in every religion, every religious story. There are passages in the bible in which God strikes down those who stand against him/those who do not have faith in him. God wanted to destroy the Jewish people when they chose to worship the golden calf, only sparing them after Moses asked him to. Didn’t Jesus sin? There have been numerous accounts of extreme violence committed in the name of faith/religion.
The author concludes that there is “no compromise” and no hope for compromise between Islam and the rest of the world. His lack of hope astonishes me. He says there is “no compatibility between Islam and us…Islam is not now, nor can ever be, a part of our civilization.” I’m not sure who the “us” is supposed to be in this. Who is “us?” America? Non-Muslims? The “cultured” world? What is “our civilization?” The rest of the world is not all alike…difference will always exist. Everyone is different, everyone has different religious denominations, and everyone will continue to hold different beliefs about everything in the world. There is no “us” versus “Muslims.” Do we have the right to judge others because they think differently and base their lives on different principles than us? It is disgusting and extremely disturbing to me that the author suggests we abolish Islam. I as a Jew know the terror of complete annihilation – we should never ever wish what happened to us on another religion, no matter the tension or conflict between our countries in the Middle East. I’m not sure the author really understands religion at all…maybe he understand the basics of it, the principles of it, but not the value it holds to some or the pure reasons people have faith. We should be working to try to find peace and find a way to peacefully coexist with/end conflict with Muslims in the Middle East. We should not be wasting our time writing articles about how much we hate Islam. Every day I am amazed at the prejudice people have against Muslims and against Arab countries. It disgusts me that humanity has stooped to this level, and this article is just further proving the cruelness of the anti-Islamic sentiment I see every day around me. This article is just exacerbating the hatred many people feel against Islam. It saddens me that we can hate another religion. I am not sure if anyone is going to read this post, or who reads it….but if you, the author, are reading it, I want you to respectfully express my disgust at your article and your views. It honestly breaks my heart how much hate people can have. I know this is very long…thank you for taking the time to read it (if anyone has.) I hope I have made my point clear.
-Rachel"

Rachel Sharer — December 6, 2011 @ 5:10 PM

"Rachel,

It is necessary that free societies recognize and sharply respond to the encroachment of slavery before it overtakes them. True Islam is spiritual and physical slavery. No one who has lived in a free society wants to live under true Islam. It is darkness.

Nazi ideology was evil and needed to end. Nazism was judged. Nazis were deceived and were deceivers. They were immersed in great darkness. That darkness led to the suffering and death of tens of millions of people, many of them civilians.

People who reject the truth and light that is available to them will live in darkness and will exhibit deep depravity. History is replete with examples.

Islamic ideology contains great darkness. No one should live under true Islam.

Followers of true Islam are commanded to faithfully emulate Muhammad. No one should emulate Muhammad, because he ended up being a terrible role model. He was deceived and he was a deceiver.

Tens of millions of people have suffered and died because other people mistakenly were compelled to follow Muhammad's terrible leading and his terrible life example.

The darkness of Islam continues but it needs to end. In our generation, Islam is being judged, because people are now rapidly becoming aware of Islam's great darkness and they are not going to allow the slavery of Islam to overtake them.

The Light of the world is Jesus the Christ, the Messiah. Free societies are free because they embrace the truth of the gospel (the good news) of Jesus. That is not true of Islam. Muhammad did not embrace the truth of Jesus the Messiah, the Christ, the Savior, and he did not follow Jesus or draw near to Him or cling to Him.

Individual people who follow Jesus and draw near to Him and cling to Him are truly spiritually free, whether they live in free societies or not."

Ralph — October 17, 2012 @ 2:32 PM

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